Seriously tho, he comes online so late, and he is that great late(he needs agh's and blink in a full 6 slot)
hahahahahaaaaaaay , dude that's a great joke you made
on serious note the hero is utterly broken in the right hands and trash can in the wrong one, the only thing that hold him back is his skill ceiling , the problem with buffing invoker is (now:good invoker is cancer to play against and single handed carry the game and change the tide of TFs , after: even half-ass invokers are now like legends among men with just the basic understanding)
i ban invoker everysingle game cuz he's broken yet u tell me that he need more buffs, and make his talent 25 at 20 dude do u understand what are u asking for ?? cuz i dont think the devs are this stupid to givu the ability to tornado the shit out of people every single second .....
+30xp at level 10 would be really overpowered for a lot of supports, but it would just be completely broken on a hero that gains levels so quickly like Invoker.
Yes he's has a high learning curve and is extremely useless if not played at least to a semi disent level, lucky there are 100+ other heros to play if one isn't inclined to spend the time in learn how to invoker
Is has the tendency to feel underwhelming if you are used to more active heroes earlier on. Also, likely that u are not good at the hero.
I hates PA personally because I'm an unlucky guy. even if my networth is 1.5x higher or more than her + MKB, I'll just dead to double crits before landing any right click on her
Invoker was fine about 6 nerfs ago. He is still a good hero but his utility and power have been seriously curbed. He's far more one-dimensional now than he was. He didn't need any of the masses of nerfs he received. If the hero requires skill it SHOULD be stronger than those that don't require skill. Being a little stronger is fine if its a skill hero. Its like people who whine constantly about pudge power and keep getting him nerfed. Its always low shit-tier players who are too bad and too dumb to know that they need to learn to admit they aren't good.
Look at all these shit-tier players thinking they get to talk about balance in this thread. No, 6 nerfs ago he wasn't broken. Yes I am well aware of how the top people owned with him. He is one of my best heros. Us upper .1% people do not think like you people do down there. You need to realize this. Your ideas are bad and wrong. Your thoughts are bad and wrong. Its why you people stay permanently down there confused as to why you can't ever get any higher while its completely fuckin obvious to us why you're there and why you DESERVE to be there. Dunning Kruger people. Dunning. Fucking. Kruger. That's right; all of you excuse-makers.
invoker was broken 6 patches ago , the hero was cancer even in 7+ k games who also have skill , after six nerfs he is now a decent mid , a great teamfighter ,ok pusher , nice roshan potential and global pressure throughout the game an still being picked by every pro team
do you even imagine what was he before these nerfs , try watching miracle invoker to know what is the full potential of this hero
What?
Invoker isn't underwhelming. What is underwhelming is player's ability to farm with him, understanding what items to get, and when to cast what spells (ie. Not trying to Tornado + EMP + CM + DB BKB'ed heroes). Get gud and he wont feel so bad.
R u stupid?
Invoker is one of the most well-balanced heroes in the game. And the Lvl 25 talent tree is not 20 armour and 15 all stats, it's AoE deafening blast or -18 sec tornado cooldown which -18 sec tornado cd is obviously better. Honestly, his Lvl 25 -18 sec tornado cooldown is one of the most broken things in the game IMO.
Invoker is an awful hero I ban him in solo queue specifically so my team doesn't choose him.
SEE OTHER HEROES TALENT LIKE SVEN AM SPEC ETC ETC.
COMPARED TO THEM INVOKER IS PERFECTLY BALANCE
TORNADO COOLDOWN U SAY? U DIDNT KNOW THAT TORNADO'S SPEED IS LOWER THAN PUDGE'S HOOK? U NEED BRAIN TO PLAY AGAINST GOOD INVOKER, NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW SHIT U ARE
I MISS THOSE DAYS WHEN LV8 = 2 FORGE SPIRIT
Why is aoe d-blast higher winrate than -tornado cd?
Don't tell me when you don't have to defend high ground with -tornado cd, you most likely won.
BcoZ u disarm 5 ppl+units in aoe while -tornado only disarm 1ppl
Don forget there are also knockback duration
Then why does everyone choose -tornado cd? Honestly tornado cd feels much better as well. Think about it, usually where is only 1-2 right clicker on each team what's the point of disarming everyone?
Whats the point of spamming tornado non stop when you can spam all skill with ovta core at level 25?
@simba
Huskar have +50 winrate in 5k. Is he good? No, he is fucking trash atm. Fuck off with winrate logic. Stop trying to buff a well balancrd hero already. Invoker is a beast at late game and untouchable
BcoZ everyone love to rightclick ppl
Im talking about 5++ core in sea btw
And didn't I said about knockback? U cant move while u're knockbacked but ucan still use ur skill and items, but again, it's all about cast range
Tornado ghostwall can control creepwave too
But ye i never take the aoe db talent now cuz u farm fast with -tornado and u can giv ur team free moonshard for ez commends
I only take aoe db on special cases
Like when they aim me so hard
UntouchABLE? Nah man u just dont knoe how to handle invoker. Or perhaps are you the one who always get caught by sunstrike or run into tornado?
Invoker is fine as it is, if you want to buff him tho just make forge +1 into lv10 talent hahahaha!
Sorry for misunderstanding. What i mean is invoker late game is like AM. U must commit so many spells to catch , his mobility and ability to kite is so ridicilously high
^that is yes especially when u got linken and bkb eul really hard to catch
But again that depend on u and ur team if u can predict invoker's next move, he cant do shit
This match for example: axe just jump on invoker and i set ss he died so easy lul.
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3279925038
the only buff invoker is only switch talent 15 to 10
or make his mana more than his hp
AND MAKE FVCKING MIDAS LIKE BEFORE
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He is the most well-designed hero in the game. Most of his useful stuff is unreliable(except cold snap and alacrity) forge spirit and tornado needs lvl15 and lvl25 to be good. Dear Mr. Frog, place his 25 talent at 20, and give him some boring shit like 20 armor or 15 all stats at 25.