I dont know either, 90% of the times when you dual offlane you share farm so other person gets tilted and just goes jungle. When i play offlane and enemy support is incompetent in zoning me out their carry just goes jungle and farms i pinged at my team but they dont care to smoke up and dig him out of there, so he is not getting punished for it (just 3k things)
But that fatty patch note where they removed mini vanguard and iron talon and nerfed jungle exp and $$$ to the ground should be enough for people to realize jungle is a no no. I have no idea to be honest but i understand how triggering it is when it happens in your game.
people have their pride so huge that they won't even think about winning or losing, just about picking their 40% wr jungle cores
well yes i see that if u do dual offlane u share exp..but u harrass the carry and doesnt farm well! wehn i play with a friend we do dual offlane and it s almost 90% easy win...Because if u ruine the carry farm the first 12 minutes...it s done ..u can roam after....really i m loosing a lot of games for that!! now i m in kind of super bad strike.!!
Everyone gets critted by a losing streak, especially during the weekend, nothing new there, but i kinda start to see the pattern on mine, when i approach that new elusive star, i insta lose 10 games in a row, im starting to smell a conspiracy? Gaben is watching me and he has a personal vendetta! Now i need to spam noob friendly initiators and hold my teammates hands instead of playing something i enjoy. Fuck ranked TBH! 10 games of Tiny/Tide/Slardar spam inc, even most dumbest carry can win if you lock people long enough for him!
wk and axe are the only viable junglers
lc, ls, ursa, and all of these other heroes have nthing to do in the jungle
Its good to play jungle especially under 3k cause most of them very bad at last hitting. You can easily become higher networth using wk, enigma or even lc.
I think, dual or even trilane is not good at under 3k mmr because the support just auto attack the creep and ruin your last hit. Both team do the same thing. No one can control wave, and easily waste so many last hit just for harassing enemy.
i can support WK jungle and axe.... but with limits!
We are talking above 3k... at 2k or less you can jungle also with jugger !!! Above 3k if they have a competent support u are zoned out, u dont get exp and gold...on top of that, the other carries free farm...i dont see any point in having this situation... and the junlger is like 2 levels below the average.. i mean it s gg after 15 minutes
why waste the lane menace that is axe by jungling when you can have him in lane, destroying their carry's farm and getting more farm for himself.
When you have a jungler, it is basically saying that you're going to be 4v5 for the first 8-10 mins until that person can get their first item. If the enemy has a roaming mirana, clock or pudge and you have a static 4 position that is afk jungling, you can pretty much guarantee on losing every single lane. That LC or Axe with blink at 9 mins cant do a whole lot when each of your lane matchups are 2 levels behind the enemy counterpart because they've all died twice to the roamer.
The only time axe is destroying the lane is if he is against melee safelaners. Or incompetent supports
Well AIDS is completely right... and it s not 8 10 minutes but more like 15... and if they have a roamer or a double lane, you can be sure that you lose at least 2 lanes...the only who can win is MID.. my question...why????
I m not talking about going offlane with LC and Void of course...but as long as you have void/lC in combo with tide, underlord..heroes soft supports... I mean you just break their lanes... try to farm with tide and and Wind ranger/silencer!! it s much more efficient and u push the enemy carry to jungle and to be exposed o be ganked.!
Is it better an offlaner completely zoned out 2/3 levels below the others? well i still stick in my opinion..
At the moment, I can say with certainty that Wraith King jungle is very strong if the enemy have no way to counter the hero.
After i finish my exams for this semester i'm gonna make a smurf and see how far i can get by only playing jungle.
above 3k it s completely useless and I loos nearly 90% of the games with junglers
because below 3k it still works i assume
One of the most annoying thing in my bracket is going to safe lane, to only find another carry + support there, because for some reason people believe in two position 1's... each with a support.
enigma is a good example imo
a friend of mine picks him once every 50 games. but he doesnt know how to lane with that hero, so he goes to the jungle. i told him to learn how to lane as enigma, didnt happen yet.
right now that lack of a position 4, who usually secures mid, will force our team to adjust the mid pick to either a hero who can cs in a 1v2 lane, or a hero who can recover quickly
i have not seen a jungler in my solo ranked gamessince i climbed to legend
I knew you guys were memeing when one of you said you knew him in real life and that he had cancer or something
it is quite simple "to ruin game" the reason is that in my opinion when you see your team mates fighting over mid or safelane farm ''me marked first no me marked first'' you are just saying ''omfg fuck you all i will ruin this for sure'' or when you see first pick antimage maybe depends
hahaha, u think jungler care. The reason they jungle is because they don't want to deal with teammate's bullshit or enemy's harass. EZ afk farm lose 2 lane or all lanes then complain why they lose early game
^First 2 line is true,expect for the last part - EZ afk lose all lanes and then proceed to win the game by myself hahahahaha
Jungler is pretty decent since you get to utilize the free creeps on the jungle camps. That makes you farm more effectively. Not only you farm your 3 lanes, you also have additional jungle camps.
Nah not woth it,they give way less xp and gold plus you pretty need some item or lvl to sustain your health.Jungle should be the last priority only if they were trilane safelane and you were solo.Even with that condition actually you can play around it and still dominate the lane.
I wonder if licetea will be able to play this patch from jungle and still keep 5k
When I was 3.5K I was told I can't reach 4K by jungle when I did and 4K ALL games that I played they told me is impossible to reach 5K by jungle with 3 hero.
Even in Dotabuff there is only one person said I might be 5K by just jungling and the peraon is Cuki
But when Cuki said that he mentioned that I at least gonna take 1 year,but I've prove him wrong by done it in 5 months.
It is not hard to reach 5K even I purposely limit myself with only play jungle
IceTea you think if you came back to Dota, on a fresh account, get it calibrated to the 3.5K max, you could get that account to 5K with jungle only? I'd pay money to see that, considering you did the "5K jungle only" challenge during the jungle's slow stream of nerfs; wanna see you do it now that it's at it's weakest, plus no Iron Talon and PMS.
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Why u do that????? above 3k it s completely useless and I loos nearly 90% of the games with junglers!!! it seems to be in dota 2011 when jungle was a good thing...now tell me you if there is a reason to stay jungle, unless you are sure to win at least 2 lanes out of 3... why people doesnt like a dual offlane?? or a roamer more likely!!
Please valve give the chance to leave the game if someone picks jungler!!! lol