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Peekaboo

    Alright, so we see alot of threads about 'Best Drafts' sick combos etc.

    Now imagine you can give the enemy team one lineup,
    Whats the worst draft you can give them?

    Spectre
    PA
    Antimage
    Bristleback
    Slark

    ^ my first thoughts

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      it's called "reverse captain mode". it exist in dota

      usually you want a team that would have hard time execute the laning phase, to prevent them from dictating the game
      spectre is indeed a very safe start

      I don't like PA here at all, she is very tempo based and aggresive, and she can roam very easily

      and bristleback gives you siege capability.
      slark can be somewhat of a scouter.

      huskar can be a high risk high reward choice, because he is extremely tempo based, so he can actually force the enemies to play reactively, but he won't have the backup he is generally needed to succeed

      terrorblade is another safe pick, it does have sieging but he takes time, and need somewhat of a backup

      drow can work because she is a weak laner, and if you draft 4 melees with her, a big portion of her power is gone

      generally, that should be your brainset:
      prevent easy to execute synergies
      prevent chain stunning
      prevent early game power spikes
      minimize sieging capability
      don't give heroes that can catch up

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      Metsis

        A team of no late game and little pushing power... That would probably make you lose a lot of the time...

        Dogwater

          Drow
          Bloodseeker
          Slark
          Dark seer
          PA

          No stuns
          Squishy and easy to gank
          Hard to lane and execute
          Low utility
          Repetitive roles
          No team fight

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            dark seer have mini stun, he can stop tp

            also he is good at holding solo and farming woods, he can support

            he is too much utility IMO

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            NO_Electricity

              there should be a reverse caption draft tournament

              La Joya

                SF Sniper Pudge Slark AM with braindead users

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                  sniper can dish alot of damage from behind, sf is great at getting objectives early, AM can work but you do allow some form of disruptive plays with mana void, and early roaming power with mana burn and blink

                  Player 281121816

                    The most i hate brother..is mighty retarded sea 5man carry 1jungler strat

                    Potato Marshal

                      Io, Dazzle, Treant, Chen, Oracle. A whole team with no carry, damage, or even many disables.

                      Noisy Miner

                        IO, dazzle, Phoenix, AA and Chen

                        Totentanz to The King: M ...

                          Shadow Shaman, Sand King, Brewmaster, Outworld Devourer and Phantom Lancer

                          Autumnus

                            Hey you underestimate the power of chen, dude rapes early and takes down towers early

                            Autumnus

                              Spectre, auntie mage, drow, invoker, meepo

                              Chilling And Winning

                                PA, anti mage, slark, Monkey King, Axe a good timber can kill em all 1vs5 trust me :|

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                                  people here really hate 5 supports lineup :/

                                  the problem with drafting 5 supports, is that your team would hate tons of utilities to make use of, and can still farm items to get objectives. a blank hero with items is still able to do stuff, while carries without items are going to have very hard time, and even with items they generally lack stuff like lockdown, essential to perform well

                                  for example dazzle had been brought up multiple times
                                  dazzle with something like phase-crest-drums hits hard. add deso and you have a great sieger

                                  and it's not like he won't have space, you drafted 5 fucking supports he would have all the space in the world

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                                  Metsis

                                    Some of these line ups are quite good for a win even though you don't think so. Drow has a massive silence and can push quite hard with the passive even though she has 4 melee friends. Bloodseeker doesn't exactly have a stun, but that aoe silence and the ult can ruined your life. Shadow Shaman is one of the best laning supports in the game and can split push towers with his ult. Either you have a line up that is way over too greedy to ever get going or you have a team that cant push towers. Probably the greedier line up you might actually see in a game. Name the five most baby sittable hard carries and that is probably the worst line up. Even if they lane decently, there is not enough farm on the map.

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                                      yea drow has a silence, but if you don't draft something to chain with that it's usefulness is quiet restricted. if she is the main pushing capability and there are no other ranged, she is still not that useful, and she is a really weak laner

                                      bloodseeker suffers from a very similar problem

                                      shadow shaman is HORRIBLE, he has amazing right click, he has great stun, a hex, tons of pushing capability, and a great wave clear. he is probably one of the worst heroes for reversed captain mode

                                      as I said, spectre is fucking broken, if there was a competition on RCM, she would probably have 100% p/b. she is useless without team

                                      anti mage is also decent, but he is a decent roamer (well, compared to other carries at his style at least), mana break and blink are very disruptive. and he has a ministun

                                      void can also be good, but you lose some teamfight capability by picking him, don't pair him with drow you would give a lot of potential damage

                                      slark is probably also going to be somewhat decent, with minimal stuns, how much does dark pact worth? and he can't really do anything else besides being the carry

                                      chicken spook,,,,

                                        treant bh riki weaver clinkz :))))))))

                                        La Joya

                                          sniper can dish alot of damage from behind, sf is great at getting objectives early, AM can work but you do allow some form of disruptive plays with mana void, and early roaming power with mana burn and blink

                                          Doesn't matter if they got braindead users who cant maximize those potentials of the heroes and prefer to farming creeps instead yet still having hard time to do lh

                                          Jacked

                                            potato is probably right

                                            Jacked

                                              no damage + no stun team = worst draft

                                              fx

                                                Tree riki bh is a very good choice because 3 of this hero is a super passive hero

                                                Dogwater

                                                  Dr dees team is actually pretty scary

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                                                    dude dr dee team is fucking amazingly composed

                                                    you got roamer prowess, you have a great kill potential in every lane, you have a lot of chain lockdown, great pushing power and teamfight, thats a draft I would have expected in CM like 3 months ago

                                                    Nurunji

                                                      io
                                                      techies
                                                      dazzle
                                                      aa
                                                      alchemist

                                                      Scarifar

                                                        Wraith King: weak laner, needs support for farm. Has a decent stun, but fuck all damage to back it up in early levels.
                                                        Spectre: Simply a must in any reverse-captain lineup.
                                                        Morphling: Low health when agi, low dmg when str. Stun might prove an issue, but only one will get stunned.
                                                        Medusa: weak laner, snake is predictable.
                                                        Leshrac: This was the best one I could find, don’t really got too much on him.

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                                                          Wraith king? He has one of the best stuns in the game, he has good aura, can reserve to jungle, and can split push with mortal strike

                                                          Who said he need to be the one that dishes the damage? Get blink and lens on him you got great support

                                                          And Medusa isn't a weak laner

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                                                          chicken spook,,,,

                                                            Doesn't matter if they got braindead users who cant maximize those potentials of the heroes and prefer to farming creeps instead yet still having hard time to do lh

                                                            xDddDddddDDdDDDDdDddd

                                                            Peekaboo

                                                              i feel like i don't see enough hate for spectre/slark.. those heros are trashcan, oh so trashcan.

                                                              Also not enough respect for lvl 20 wisp, You give a wisp a partner and that mofo will carry you, very hard.

                                                              Daz crest + armlet wisp, that shit hurts

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                                                                Or you could meme the Eric Wright build and get hotd-necro

                                                                Rab

                                                                  CM
                                                                  AA
                                                                  Disruptor
                                                                  Phoenix
                                                                  Oracle
                                                                  0 tower dmg - no way to end the game.
                                                                  Also almost 0 disables so they shouldn't even win a single fight in the midgame and completely countered by bkb

                                                                  TheRRogue

                                                                    Almost no disable?lol.almost all of those hero has some disable plus you highly underrated cm + aa. Cm can root him while aa cold feet plus with vortex and walla u have a very reliable combo.

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                                                                    AloneInKyōto

                                                                      No disable?
                                                                      They have like ten thousand root and slows

                                                                      Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                                        lack of tower damage is not a problem anymore because of meteor hammer. any sort of teamfight lineup will never be bad.

                                                                        AKU HOMO

                                                                          actually anything is worst when u playing with braindeads especially in sea animal server LUL

                                                                          Jack__Attack

                                                                            Tusk
                                                                            , skywrath
                                                                            , leshrac
                                                                            , anti mage,
                                                                            invoker.
                                                                            If I ever have any of these 5 on my team I cry so this must be the worst.

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                                                                            Shou

                                                                              i was abt to mention meteor hammer
                                                                              not to mention they can just buy pushing auras and shit
                                                                              i would honestly build right click aa with that lineup too

                                                                              Shm1l:)

                                                                                I think that worst what you can pick is gready heroes, whos need support to get farm, with not so strong lain, and can`t do good as support, like Storm, Terror, AM, Morph, and Spectra. You can`t farm every one of them, and most of them are doomed with out havy farm. BUT again in revers pick you still have to watch what will you get, so you have to recounter them. But for AP pub just don` t pick so many greeady heroes cause that can worck only on brainless team.

                                                                                Autumnus

                                                                                  U underestimate chen :/

                                                                                  Flounder

                                                                                    I don't need to theory craft on this. I see the "worst draft possible" on a regular basis in my low-3k bracket. There are so many variations:

                                                                                    "All Invisible Team"
                                                                                    "All Carry Team" (Abdal Maleq, your post is perfect)
                                                                                    "Zero Stun Team"
                                                                                    "Super Squish Team"

                                                                                    But if I had to come up with my all-time worse, a combination of just weak heroes (for pub) and terrible lanes, it would be:
                                                                                    1. techies - no explanation needed
                                                                                    2. io - fine hero, but needs a proper partner, which we won't draft
                                                                                    3. riki - does terrible in almost every game I see him in
                                                                                    4. lich - mildly annoying for the first 5 minutes of the game. after that, useless except for ice armor buff
                                                                                    5. nyx assassin - another hero that I almost never see do well

                                                                                    Squishy, invis reliant team with only one good laner (Lich). No combos that I see. Nyx has a few unreliable stuns. An annoying team to play against, for sure, but these guys aren't destroying any throne any time soon.

                                                                                    [D2F].Johan

                                                                                      the only way to see a worst draft is to see the other draft. you cannot imaginarily create 5 man line-up as worst draft xD

                                                                                      Cursed

                                                                                        Without looking at enemy draft , mine is drow, spec, AM, invoker and medusa.
                                                                                        Actually i consider any draft with drow and another hard melee carry that need a lot space and farm as a really bad draft.

                                                                                        HartzFear

                                                                                          If u draft slark for Enemy Team, He rape you cuz u bot gonna get any counter for him.