it's called "reverse captain mode". it exist in dota
usually you want a team that would have hard time execute the laning phase, to prevent them from dictating the game
spectre is indeed a very safe start
I don't like PA here at all, she is very tempo based and aggresive, and she can roam very easily
and bristleback gives you siege capability.
slark can be somewhat of a scouter.
huskar can be a high risk high reward choice, because he is extremely tempo based, so he can actually force the enemies to play reactively, but he won't have the backup he is generally needed to succeed
terrorblade is another safe pick, it does have sieging but he takes time, and need somewhat of a backup
drow can work because she is a weak laner, and if you draft 4 melees with her, a big portion of her power is gone
generally, that should be your brainset:
prevent easy to execute synergies
prevent chain stunning
prevent early game power spikes
minimize sieging capability
don't give heroes that can catch up
A team of no late game and little pushing power... That would probably make you lose a lot of the time...
Drow
Bloodseeker
Slark
Dark seer
PA
No stuns
Squishy and easy to gank
Hard to lane and execute
Low utility
Repetitive roles
No team fight
dark seer have mini stun, he can stop tp
also he is good at holding solo and farming woods, he can support
he is too much utility IMO
sniper can dish alot of damage from behind, sf is great at getting objectives early, AM can work but you do allow some form of disruptive plays with mana void, and early roaming power with mana burn and blink
Io, Dazzle, Treant, Chen, Oracle. A whole team with no carry, damage, or even many disables.
Shadow Shaman, Sand King, Brewmaster, Outworld Devourer and Phantom Lancer
PA, anti mage, slark, Monkey King, Axe a good timber can kill em all 1vs5 trust me :|
people here really hate 5 supports lineup :/
the problem with drafting 5 supports, is that your team would hate tons of utilities to make use of, and can still farm items to get objectives. a blank hero with items is still able to do stuff, while carries without items are going to have very hard time, and even with items they generally lack stuff like lockdown, essential to perform well
for example dazzle had been brought up multiple times
dazzle with something like phase-crest-drums hits hard. add deso and you have a great sieger
and it's not like he won't have space, you drafted 5 fucking supports he would have all the space in the world
Some of these line ups are quite good for a win even though you don't think so. Drow has a massive silence and can push quite hard with the passive even though she has 4 melee friends. Bloodseeker doesn't exactly have a stun, but that aoe silence and the ult can ruined your life. Shadow Shaman is one of the best laning supports in the game and can split push towers with his ult. Either you have a line up that is way over too greedy to ever get going or you have a team that cant push towers. Probably the greedier line up you might actually see in a game. Name the five most baby sittable hard carries and that is probably the worst line up. Even if they lane decently, there is not enough farm on the map.
yea drow has a silence, but if you don't draft something to chain with that it's usefulness is quiet restricted. if she is the main pushing capability and there are no other ranged, she is still not that useful, and she is a really weak laner
bloodseeker suffers from a very similar problem
shadow shaman is HORRIBLE, he has amazing right click, he has great stun, a hex, tons of pushing capability, and a great wave clear. he is probably one of the worst heroes for reversed captain mode
as I said, spectre is fucking broken, if there was a competition on RCM, she would probably have 100% p/b. she is useless without team
anti mage is also decent, but he is a decent roamer (well, compared to other carries at his style at least), mana break and blink are very disruptive. and he has a ministun
void can also be good, but you lose some teamfight capability by picking him, don't pair him with drow you would give a lot of potential damage
slark is probably also going to be somewhat decent, with minimal stuns, how much does dark pact worth? and he can't really do anything else besides being the carry
sniper can dish alot of damage from behind, sf is great at getting objectives early, AM can work but you do allow some form of disruptive plays with mana void, and early roaming power with mana burn and blink
Doesn't matter if they got braindead users who cant maximize those potentials of the heroes and prefer to farming creeps instead yet still having hard time to do lh
dude dr dee team is fucking amazingly composed
you got roamer prowess, you have a great kill potential in every lane, you have a lot of chain lockdown, great pushing power and teamfight, thats a draft I would have expected in CM like 3 months ago
Wraith King: weak laner, needs support for farm. Has a decent stun, but fuck all damage to back it up in early levels.
Spectre: Simply a must in any reverse-captain lineup.
Morphling: Low health when agi, low dmg when str. Stun might prove an issue, but only one will get stunned.
Medusa: weak laner, snake is predictable.
Leshrac: This was the best one I could find, don’t really got too much on him.
Wraith king? He has one of the best stuns in the game, he has good aura, can reserve to jungle, and can split push with mortal strike
Who said he need to be the one that dishes the damage? Get blink and lens on him you got great support
And Medusa isn't a weak laner
Doesn't matter if they got braindead users who cant maximize those potentials of the heroes and prefer to farming creeps instead yet still having hard time to do lh
xDddDddddDDdDDDDdDddd
i feel like i don't see enough hate for spectre/slark.. those heros are trashcan, oh so trashcan.
Also not enough respect for lvl 20 wisp, You give a wisp a partner and that mofo will carry you, very hard.
Daz crest + armlet wisp, that shit hurts
CM
AA
Disruptor
Phoenix
Oracle
0 tower dmg - no way to end the game.
Also almost 0 disables so they shouldn't even win a single fight in the midgame and completely countered by bkb
Almost no disable?lol.almost all of those hero has some disable plus you highly underrated cm + aa. Cm can root him while aa cold feet plus with vortex and walla u have a very reliable combo.
lack of tower damage is not a problem anymore because of meteor hammer. any sort of teamfight lineup will never be bad.
actually anything is worst when u playing with braindeads especially in sea animal server LUL
Tusk
, skywrath
, leshrac
, anti mage,
invoker.
If I ever have any of these 5 on my team I cry so this must be the worst.
i was abt to mention meteor hammer
not to mention they can just buy pushing auras and shit
i would honestly build right click aa with that lineup too
I think that worst what you can pick is gready heroes, whos need support to get farm, with not so strong lain, and can`t do good as support, like Storm, Terror, AM, Morph, and Spectra. You can`t farm every one of them, and most of them are doomed with out havy farm. BUT again in revers pick you still have to watch what will you get, so you have to recounter them. But for AP pub just don` t pick so many greeady heroes cause that can worck only on brainless team.
I don't need to theory craft on this. I see the "worst draft possible" on a regular basis in my low-3k bracket. There are so many variations:
"All Invisible Team"
"All Carry Team" (Abdal Maleq, your post is perfect)
"Zero Stun Team"
"Super Squish Team"
But if I had to come up with my all-time worse, a combination of just weak heroes (for pub) and terrible lanes, it would be:
1. techies - no explanation needed
2. io - fine hero, but needs a proper partner, which we won't draft
3. riki - does terrible in almost every game I see him in
4. lich - mildly annoying for the first 5 minutes of the game. after that, useless except for ice armor buff
5. nyx assassin - another hero that I almost never see do well
Squishy, invis reliant team with only one good laner (Lich). No combos that I see. Nyx has a few unreliable stuns. An annoying team to play against, for sure, but these guys aren't destroying any throne any time soon.
the only way to see a worst draft is to see the other draft. you cannot imaginarily create 5 man line-up as worst draft xD
Without looking at enemy draft , mine is drow, spec, AM, invoker and medusa.
Actually i consider any draft with drow and another hard melee carry that need a lot space and farm as a really bad draft.
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Alright, so we see alot of threads about 'Best Drafts' sick combos etc.
Now imagine you can give the enemy team one lineup,
Whats the worst draft you can give them?
Spectre
PA
Antimage
Bristleback
Slark
^ my first thoughts