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General DiscussionHow the hell does one counter broodmother as a mid?

How the hell does one counter broodmother as a mid? in General Discussion
Emperor Xu Mail

    I play Invoker, I die, I play SF I die, I play storm I die before 6. Do I have to start midding Axe or what?

    Tribo

      MK - DK

      Rocket

        Doesn’t shadowraze take care of spiderlings?

        Back to the question, out smurf them by picking meepo mid.

        NO_Electricity

          The real question is how u feed vs brood with sf and storm that's some next level feed
          Zeus necro qop dp and ember is gud too but I'm sure u'll manage to lose with them too

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          Feachairu

            brood eat weak ranged units everyday and night

            pick stuffs like beastmaster

            i troll

              just get timbersaw and do nothing

              Shou

                if u think sf or storm beats brood mid u have no fucking idea how the matchup works
                one raze doesnt kill spiders, a good brood can micro spiders so they dont die, then when they get in close, they will eat out sf
                storm shud be ok, but he is still pretty weak without a couple levels in the nukes, even then, brood outfarms storm and kills him with orchid

                timber sounds good, but even he needs some levels
                also if u go axe mid against brood and the brood is smart, she will max passive, take ulti at lvl 6, and run you down and kill you
                it probably comes down to having someone who is super tanky to spiders just sit in that lane
                maybe tide?

                SirSwirll

                  Bloodseeker

                  Shou

                    lmfao
                    if u ran bs against a brood mid, id report u

                    死の恐怖 Haseo

                      windranger

                      Spec Deck

                        sven, bb, and lc can deal with the brood mid even though they aren't normal midlaners, but sometimes u gotta do what u must vs brood

                        Feachairu

                          brood eats timbersaw,brood mostly eats sven too
                          brood will just farm 6 jungle and lane creeps if you pick timber/sven(well same like lc/axe/kunk/etc/etc)

                          i ever lose with bb,but he tryhards after dominating my lane and he wards all jungle so i cant farm and his 2 support+offlaner (basically 4 guys) keep chasing me on jungle
                          (our other lanes lose even tho so much people going to my lane,i dont undersatnd wdf)

                          lc is annoying(duel),axe is dealable for me now,kunnka can kill you if he's smart,wr can kill you on mid/late games but it's pretty risky pick since i just rush orchid to eat you too
                          i dont think bs can dominate me,but rupture is annoying vs a safelane bs
                          bs is probably like a lycan,i destroy lycan at lane

                          just trust me guys,pick beastmaster
                          axe destroys my trees to hide,hawk gives flying vision
                          roar pierces bkb(axe also kills spiderlings)

                          or if you good with meepo,pick meepo
                          i can't play brood vs meepo

                          i ever lost against a clinkz,he's annoying at lvl 1 since searing arrow hurts alot and you just rightclick me,but at lvl 4 he cant do nothing or farm
                          amazingly,this guy become beyond godlike at lvl 7 for some reason and our networth become 8k/8k in mid at min 10
                          o my god,how the hell does this even happen,guys how did you get ganked by a lvl 4 clinkz 10 times on 6 mins

                          edit: dk is annoying,same like sven or those guys,mk is eatable,i carry quelin bladfe if vs mk,so i can cut when he jumps into my trees

                          basically,you have to start mid melee heroes with aoe clears if you want to fight brood

                          btw wr is ez if you have a roamer with a stun,but my bracket on solo mmr like literally has no roamer for some reason. and my friends at my party can't roam ....

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                          r2d2

                            just win other lanes

                            faw

                              ta

                              r2d2

                                but normally if brood doesnt eat t3 safelane/mid under ~20min, ur bound to win later

                                just eat her with 5 man ganks and she drops bout ~600 gold at that point ffor her first three deaths

                                DC.MASON

                                  you lose because enemy 10th picked it
                                  wew

                                  Emperor Xu Mail

                                    Cant the little spiders swarm TA and rid her refration faster than she can psiblade them? Or no?

                                    Emperor Xu Mail

                                      Plus, what Mr.Poopybutthole said...is he serious? or is he messing with me? Zeus, Necro, DP can stand in lane against Brood?! Are his Broods 2k or does he have a point? :o

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                                      Gssaikone

                                        BROOD shits on WR. what happened to old school counter sandking.

                                        Meshona

                                          Sven! Bro

                                          Anonymous mode- No chat

                                            sven for easy gold, but he sucks now and is not generally a mid lander. Can try timber and beast master too

                                            Feachairu

                                              about ta i idk,never fight a skilled one

                                              i troll

                                                timber can crush him on mid easily if its not his first time with timber

                                                зачем я начал поиск

                                                  Kunkka/Sven + 2 supports disrupting your farm is the counter. Or snowballing other lanes and getting a team networth advantage.

                                                  Because 1v1 Brood outfarms either way (you just farm ancients-jungle-lane at the same time).

                                                  IMO, there's no 1v1 counter, since if you're zoned out, you still farm at least x1.5 faster than your enemy.

                                                  LC/BB/Timber/Axe are just annoying, but ain't really countering you on their own.

                                                  inx4c

                                                    U can try lina
                                                    Beastmaster can be good

                                                    Bosnian Blade

                                                      bb,necro , lina, meepo, mk, magnus, trol,lc ...

                                                      brood is bad right now , only good for last pick if they cant deal with early pressure

                                                      jugando desnudo

                                                        I find that Brood is like a PL, a Huskar, or another one of those annoying heros

                                                        if last picked probably you just won't have the tools to stop her early to mid game so you'll loose almost like 80% of the times

                                                        but you can really counter her, heros with waveclear make brood to not play as she wants, so makes the game harder for her, and if she doesnt snowball you can control her

                                                        GAFF

                                                          BristleBack isn't a direct counter to brood because brood can cut the wave or farm jungle, avoiding bristle's quills. I did that last night: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3971706634

                                                          Same goes for Sven, Tiny, Axe. They can be kited easily in the laning phase, although they do offer a mid-game threat for brood with a blink dagger. These heroes are more semi-counters that give a mild inconvenience to brood.

                                                          A traditional mid that counters brood could be Leshrac or Lina, given that you can time your stun onto the spiderlings correctly, otherwise you are squishy and will die without rotations.

                                                          Non-traditional? I've had the hardest time vs. a good Meepo mid. Meepo is pretty tanky and can net you easily. I also think Monkey King or Legion Commander do well vs. Brood. I can't really cut the wave with spiderlings because of the threat of their instant nukes, forcing me to keep spiderlings farming the jungle and broodmother in lane.

                                                          If you do get stuck in a situation vs. a brood as a melee hero, going double stout shield ensures 75% damage reduction vs. spiderlings, at least until brood gets a medallion. Even then, however, you are very hard for brood to kill. She will have to out farm you to win.

                                                          A

                                                            Idk just try to hold your tower as long as possible. Any mid with capability of wave clear and out farm her.just pray that your supp help you and brood supp dont

                                                            ViarraVivre

                                                              kunka sir

                                                              Shou

                                                                bro, the professional strat as brood against legion is max passive, get phase, and take ulti at 6, and just ulti and right click her till she dead
                                                                ez Clap

                                                                Feachairu

                                                                  oyea i forgot about kunnka

                                                                  nah just get skill 1 as lc

                                                                  Shou

                                                                    bro
                                                                    overwhelming odds does nothing if u dont have spiders
                                                                    hello?

                                                                    Feachairu

                                                                      yea but every brood will get first skill

                                                                      PRAISE THE SUN!

                                                                        No sven gets destroyed just lol he will never get 10 cs in 10 minutes.

                                                                        Axe is decent
                                                                        Leshrac is decent at level 6
                                                                        Lina is about the same as leshrac
                                                                        Dk is good
                                                                        Medusa is good
                                                                        Meepo is good

                                                                        Zeus is bad
                                                                        Sf is bad
                                                                        Bs is bad
                                                                        TA is bad

                                                                        Swap lanes if the lane is too hard, in pro games you see alot of unconventional mids just because it will be hard to level otherwise

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                                                                        Robin Chwaaaaan <3

                                                                          BASIC QOP. BUILD ORCHID ILL BUY EULS . EZ

                                                                          kuci

                                                                            Pick treant and do nothing ez clap

                                                                            Jacked

                                                                              Good brood players will have 2 group of spiders. Your aoe spells are all useless and u die anyway. Nothing counters a good brood except a trilane

                                                                              Feachairu

                                                                                leshrac will usually got cant farm and feed stukc lvl 4 forever,if you cant do this you're pretty screwed though
                                                                                medusa will be eaten alive
                                                                                dk cant really do much except survive
                                                                                lina will die
                                                                                axe you just trade farm although he's a problem i guess
                                                                                meepo will srsly stomp you

                                                                                Snaekmonger

                                                                                  You dont even need a trilane, a timely support rotation is enough. I mean, a 0/4 shadow fiend still kills the brood in a properly executed gank, she is actually easy to kill if you got the damage and your support brings the cc...
                                                                                  In other words, you cant rly do much if your supp is a brick ;D

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                                                                                  Oldman

                                                                                    Why not sven vs brood? Against bm boosters my team always pick Jakiro, Axe or Sven.

                                                                                    On sven u max cleave and armor, rush mom and what bm can do. This is the only matchup u can get 100 cs /10 min mark.

                                                                                    Against bm smurfs crucial is not to lose the tower. Who cares if you die once or twice here and there.

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                                                                                    Feachairu

                                                                                      yes bm cant do anything vs sven but i really just dont care about sven except for warcry

                                                                                      nope dont even try to gank brood unless you can make youreslf survive(lv 1-5)
                                                                                      you will get eaten
                                                                                      or you get wavespiderclear in just 1 spell like lc 1st

                                                                                      Mode : TOPSON

                                                                                        just pick invoker and play Merciless Mode B-)

                                                                                        if u can survive brood as invoker you can call yourself Invoker God and spamming EZ MID

                                                                                        Gssaikone

                                                                                          ^ that just sounds about right.

                                                                                          Shou

                                                                                            trilanes are so bad against brood, because she wins those too
                                                                                            u just put someone who can sort of defend the tower/doesnt die against her and sack that lane and try to win others

                                                                                            YouTube BuTChii

                                                                                              I just pick Ls vs brood every time . Buy radiance and mjolnir. Ez!!

                                                                                              Doubt

                                                                                                1. ban brood
                                                                                                2.???
                                                                                                3. profit.

                                                                                                ETd

                                                                                                  Mid omniknight

                                                                                                  xdd

                                                                                                    Beast master

                                                                                                    Javad

                                                                                                      anyone who said u can counter brood with a hero, has probably only played vs a cute brood picker. u cant "COUNTER" brood though just picks

                                                                                                      ALTHOUGH**, u can pick a hero that makes brood not able to kill him in lane over and over, and threatens spiders. this way, if u do the right strategy/macro after the laning phase, u can actually counter brood.

                                                                                                      the legitimate picks JUST FOR LANING STAGE imo are: axe, bristle, timber, beastmaster, dk, meepo, lina. lina is actually pretty good in my experience

                                                                                                      sven, magnus and a bunch of other cleavers ARE NOT THAT OPTIMAL to play vs brood.

                                                                                                      okay. if u think that list will solve ur problem. it WILL NOT. the thing u do with the hero is everything. so basically, what u wanna do, is u wanna take brood's tower at around 10-12 mins. then u snowball that into either his t2 or taking control of his web area. u then take another side's tower. now brood's left with limited farm space. THAT'S HOW YOU COUNTER BROOD. PICK + MACRO STRATEGY. i have high winrate vs all those heroes i listed. none countered me just cuz they picked it

                                                                                                      Wukz

                                                                                                        meepo beastmaster axe