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General DiscussionSimilar heroes case 1: Mirana vs Windranger

Similar heroes case 1: Mirana vs Windranger in General Discussion
Dogwater

    Similarities
    Both have a nuke
    A strong stun
    Both are squishy but have ways of surviving
    Ranged, obviously
    Can be played in various roles

    Differences
    One is agi, other is int
    Ultimate, one is more for solokills and the other is teamwide invis. Both are good in different ways

    Direct comparison of stats and abilities

    Starfall vs powershot
    Starfall can be used in an AOE and does more damage than a direct powershot to the nearest person
    Powershot can be used in a straight line and has much better range, and wr does not have to put herself in danger to hit it
    I say its a tie, one is better than the other depending on the situation, this isn’t accounting for windranger being an int hero therefore having more mana to cast spells, just the numbers and situations the spell is used also aghanims will be discussed later

    Sacred arrow vs Shackleshot

    Sacred arrow is less reliable than a shackle, granted its stun is longger and it cannot be blocked by linkens.
    Shackle is better for me because of the reliability and potential to disable 2 people in a fight. I have to give this one to shackleshot

    Windrun vs Leap
    Both can be used offensively and defensively but they are pretty different
    Windrun is a devastating tool in the laning stage, also considering windrangers ability to harass, this however isn’t that viable anymore if the enemy has nukers who go through the evasion
    Leap is near instant repositioning and as and ms buffs as well as well as the 3 charges make it versatile . But isn’t as powerful a laning tool as windrun
    Again it’s a tie depending on the situation

    Moonlight shadow vs focus fire
    One is better for initiating and map control which makes mirana viable in many different positions, and one is a death sentence to most heroes. Both can be used in a sense that you can pick off an enemy hero but Moonlight shadow has more utility most of the time

    Aghs
    Windranger just takes this one, it just makes sense, max as and on such a low cd, as well as removing the damage penalty and it just takes this cake, double starfall just doesn’t fit miranas kit since this is for her nuker build that doesn’t see much action nowadays. It’s still a good aghs but Windrangers is a must have is shes a core

    Verdict
    Mirana is a better offlaner in this dual lane meta, just because of her presence past laning. To be able to choose when to hop in and hop out to burst a support with starstorm is more reliable than the 3 seconds it takes for Windranger to kill someone and put herself in the fight. However Windranger is a better Mid in this 212 meta and with items she can shit on cores and supports alike easily. Also tower taking and snowballing is always a good thing. How I play her and have more success is an offlane support in 212 games, with her harass and the fact that she falls off around midgame anyway, this seems like a good way to shut down a safelaner and his supports if they’re not equipped to deal with you.

    I know I’m a low tier archon scrub but I believe my observations are fair and infomed. I researched and played both heroes a fair ammount in different positions. I also watched higher teir streams and replays. I may not have mechanical skill and time to grind mmr, but I believe my game knowledge is at a “well informed” level. All I wish to accomplish with this post is to maybe share some observations because I love this game and these two heroes and I wish to talk about them. If some sad kids come to this thread and say “don’t talk unless you’re at least divine and 60% winrate” please, save your MMR eletism for TI9. I actually enjoyed writing this and am not imposing my knowledge or superiority, just my appreciation for the game. If people are interested enough I will write other hero comparisons.

    Saya Tidak Takut, Hadapi ...

      Well since almost no dota hero is a mirror to each other, it is a bit unfair to pit their skills 1 v 1 since power shot gives vision like mirana's arrow, not really starfall's comparison, as the vision from the arrow to the shackleshot,

      although windrun vs leap is interesting as one is a team buff while windrun is enemy debuff as well, and you forgot the little detail in focus fire is a tower destroyer,

      and only one of them have a pu$$y.

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      Dogwater

        Yes all heroes are unique but they can be compared and contrasted and these two are in a certain mold that seem familiar.

        Also I think leap lost it’s team buff effect if I’m not mistaken in favor for more on mirana personally which pushed her into more of a core role

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        Saya Tidak Takut, Hadapi ...

          oh yeah prob the triple jump changes the team buff,
          and the mirana aghanim is star storm every 10 second to visible enemies

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          Jacked

            They are very different. Wr is very single target focus. Mirana has way more team utility. Also mirana is more reliable as a carry as her Dps is not ult and aghs reliant. Mirana probably farms a lot faster.

            The.ZacK

              Dont forget windrun's slow effect on enemies. It can slow upto 60% if that level 10 talent is used. Its a much better offensive and defensive tool than leap (considering leap doesnt disjoint projectiles anymore)

              Dogwater

                Yes i took that into consideration as well which is why it’s a strong tool for laning. Leap is also instant terrain crossing mobility and buff to as and ms.

                i have 5 reports to use

                  As a master on both heroes
                  Starfall and powershot are both garbage spells that should not be leveled

                  Windrun vs leap.
                  Windrun is the best spell ever and should be maxed first always. Leap is a high attack speed buff plus chasing ability which lets you shit on kids solo also can be used to escape.

                  Shackle vs arrow.
                  Arrow is better because u can farm with it and it does nice damage. Shackle is a good stun that is easy to land.

                  MLS is op because vision is everything and focus fire is the most broken solo kill spell ever. Windranger is actually really bad in 5v5s tho.

                  Also both of them are garbage offlaner and should only be pos4 because stuff like bristleback and doom exists also they kinda suck in 5v5s

                  Ayakayoth

                    they are both fucking hot females in an action gaame

                    Dogwater

                      Interesting argument on the nuke mr turtle. I would appreciate some explanation if possible

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                        Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                          Wr is a support hero, she can be played as mid but she is better as a support hero

                          Dogwater

                            ^agree, she’s underrated at both

                            rüm

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                              Dogwater

                                ^if this guy says so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                spacewarp

                                  WR is best played as pos 4 right now. She can solo kill almost anyone with only a maelstrom and phase boots. Also during clash, you can land your 2 hero shackle shot easier since most of the enemies will be focusing on your pos 1 / 2. Only downside with WR is that when she had a bad early game, she can't recover well enough compared to Mirana.

                                  Mirana on the other hand can farm faster since her arrow can also be used to one shot NC. MLS is very OP as said by Mr. Turtle.