@pin no one gives a fuck about your clinkz ranking..stop mocking other players because of his winrate..you are not even close to his rank..even if youre winning with your build it doesnt mean that it is the only way to build the hero..stop pretending..
no, only from your hero, Your Ulti is purely based around your 'Base damage and Attack range'
Diffusal however is incredibly efficient stats and Offers a slow to hold them inside your ulti.
Can the damage of his skeletons be manipulated. Theoretically, if slark steals 30agi off clinkz would that lower the skeletons ddamage since his base damage has been reduced, or would they keep clinkz's original base damage regardless of essence shift?
deso is around 4k gold? If you buy agi items it is close to 35 agi with that money. 35 agi means each skeleton goes 35 more damage per hit. You have 5 skeletons at lvl 2 ult the timing of most 4k gold mark.
@mungo - Nineoo is correct, Deso allows for 3 things, Single target damage, Towers and roshan. Clinkz naturally has strong roshan/tower potential with his toolkit and i find that Utility is better served to allow him to do more single target damage.
eg, If i spend the extra gold on a Hex, orchid or diffusal -that Sudo disable will equate to more damage on a singular target than deso would. Deso amplifies one section of your kit. I think deso is fundmentally bad unless you are certain you can deathball
refresher is a great lategame item on almost all heroes i think especially with walking ultimates but never see eblade yet
ppl make it just for stats? might be good to burst a tb or save someone tho
the way i saw it used in the professional match that the clinkz built the eblade
it was like a dagon, to snag kills of low hp targets that are looking to leave the fight.
it was a dragged out stomp so we cant really judge but it didnt seem to be bought primarily for self-ghosting.
i was reffering for buying 1,5k gold item to save you from jugg omni on that for midgames,yea the eblade probalby used for saving teammates and dagoning and saving yourslf too
to people who says deso is bad because it doesn't give agi
errr you do realize the skeletons benefit from the minus armor as well right? past a certain damage threshhold, minus armor could end up more beneficial than the skeletons having more base damage
also to people saying things like its useless because clinkz can rosh/tower/solo pickoff without it... are u daft? what's wrong with playing to a hero's strengths?
obviously utility such as diffusal or orchid might be useful early game but deso is great late game as well, with reworks to how armor percentage is calculated... deso is useful at all stages in the game now and is no longer a "useless late game item cuz they have high armor"
to the person who asked the question
yes, deso is definitely viable but you have to see the game in question.
it is nuts you can be half the networth of the other team's cores but still dish out damage like mad and kill them. Alot of games I won where we behind the other team's carry had like 25k networth and I only had 14k networth yet I was a much bigger presence on the map
hero's garbage, only good against maybe medusa or huskar - and even that is a maybe, other than that crimson/sven makes him useless. he needs loads of items to work but he has 0 farming speed.
its not about forcing the supports to spend gold in sentries. i buy them anyway to make sure enemy doesnt see us coming or to get rid of their vision for our carry. i see shadow blades all the time and theyre a completely useless item imo cause they provide nothing against someone willing to keep their carry farm protected. invis heroes seem countered by a 100g item. that doesnt seem op to me but idk.
Pretty much 90% win rate with him this week. The best part is the hero really doesn't need alot of items. Often I see the other cores having 25k-30k networth and even though I have 18k I am still the highest damage dealer and most impactful hero in the game and we still win.
I usually play it offlane since I am so impactful between 10 mins and 30 mins that even if my feeding cores lost laning phase they catch up. Mid lane is probably best as his lvl 15 power level spike is really huge.
@pin no one gives a fuck about your clinkz ranking..stop mocking other players because of his winrate..you are not even close to his rank..even if youre winning with your build it doesnt mean that it is the only way to build the hero..stop pretending..
Does difussal mana burn works on clinkz ult?
no, only from your hero, Your Ulti is purely based around your 'Base damage and Attack range'
Diffusal however is incredibly efficient stats and Offers a slow to hold them inside your ulti.
Can the damage of his skeletons be manipulated. Theoretically, if slark steals 30agi off clinkz would that lower the skeletons ddamage since his base damage has been reduced, or would they keep clinkz's original base damage regardless of essence shift?
Any reason why you do not build deso?
I find in this patch it's better.
deso is around 4k gold? If you buy agi items it is close to 35 agi with that money. 35 agi means each skeleton goes 35 more damage per hit. You have 5 skeletons at lvl 2 ult the timing of most 4k gold mark.
@mungo - Nineoo is correct, Deso allows for 3 things, Single target damage, Towers and roshan. Clinkz naturally has strong roshan/tower potential with his toolkit and i find that Utility is better served to allow him to do more single target damage.
eg, If i spend the extra gold on a Hex, orchid or diffusal -that Sudo disable will equate to more damage on a singular target than deso would. Deso amplifies one section of your kit. I think deso is fundmentally bad unless you are certain you can deathball
Ok thanks for both replies!
I thought there might be a situation where you want to go deso.
But it makes sense thanks.
i stop playing dota for two weeks and clinkz is now buying refresher eblade what the fuck is happening
refresher is a great lategame item on almost all heroes i think especially with walking ultimates but never see eblade yet
ppl make it just for stats? might be good to burst a tb or save someone tho
saw old chicken make eblade last match, yeah im pretty sure its just for the stats
with the current pa and jug meta eblade a good pick up for stats and ghost form
good point,ghost form is kinda good vs those guys
but do u buy ghost scepter if not vs jugg?
the way i saw it used in the professional match that the clinkz built the eblade
it was like a dagon, to snag kills of low hp targets that are looking to leave the fight.
it was a dragged out stomp so we cant really judge but it didnt seem to be bought primarily for self-ghosting.
i was reffering for buying 1,5k gold item to save you from jugg omni on that for midgames,yea the eblade probalby used for saving teammates and dagoning and saving yourslf too
to people who says deso is bad because it doesn't give agi
errr you do realize the skeletons benefit from the minus armor as well right? past a certain damage threshhold, minus armor could end up more beneficial than the skeletons having more base damage
also to people saying things like its useless because clinkz can rosh/tower/solo pickoff without it... are u daft? what's wrong with playing to a hero's strengths?
obviously utility such as diffusal or orchid might be useful early game but deso is great late game as well, with reworks to how armor percentage is calculated... deso is useful at all stages in the game now and is no longer a "useless late game item cuz they have high armor"
to the person who asked the question
yes, deso is definitely viable but you have to see the game in question.
His hp is too much nerfed imo.He gest killed easy by enemy midlaner if you play aggressive
it is nuts you can be half the networth of the other team's cores but still dish out damage like mad and kill them. Alot of games I won where we behind the other team's carry had like 25k networth and I only had 14k networth yet I was a much bigger presence on the map
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4339549594
Just got 72k hero damage. Double my team's cores and triple the other team's drow damage.
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/dota2_gamepedia/0/0c/Earthspi_kill_07.mp3
red a funny guy he talks about how great deso is but his last 7 clinkz games 0 deso.
"deso is definitely viable but you have to see the game in question" you stupidddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd op
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLg7Fkv4Jfw&t=489s
D2bowie video confirming what i was saying.
Watching 'Topson' - Confirming what i was saying about watching 'high mmr players'
Not too many hours of practicing with this hero, especially in scrims.
Maybe only OG will pick this hero because Topson plays Clinkz a lot in pubs.
Pro's dont pick him so the Sheeps dont pick him thus you dont see him. Also this makes him never getting nerfed.
hero's garbage, only good against maybe medusa or huskar - and even that is a maybe, other than that crimson/sven makes him useless. he needs loads of items to work but he has 0 farming speed.
he's so easy and braindead to play tho,i liek
its not about forcing the supports to spend gold in sentries. i buy them anyway to make sure enemy doesnt see us coming or to get rid of their vision for our carry. i see shadow blades all the time and theyre a completely useless item imo cause they provide nothing against someone willing to keep their carry farm protected. invis heroes seem countered by a 100g item. that doesnt seem op to me but idk.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/95758502/matches?hero=clinkz&enhance=overview
Pretty much 90% win rate with him this week. The best part is the hero really doesn't need alot of items. Often I see the other cores having 25k-30k networth and even though I have 18k I am still the highest damage dealer and most impactful hero in the game and we still win.
I usually play it offlane since I am so impactful between 10 mins and 30 mins that even if my feeding cores lost laning phase they catch up. Mid lane is probably best as his lvl 15 power level spike is really huge.
Shit hero, don't pick him