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ETd

    What are 1v1 matchups that were always considered unfavorable, but are now more manageable, or have even swung the other way?

    I saw some people saying that Tinker doesn't beat up SF anymore, even as far as "SF wins that mid matchup", because of the Tinker movespeed nerfs, SF ms buffs, the viability of lvl 1 raze, having your own cour to ship out regen, etc.
    Or another one that someone said to me, Razor loses mid against OD, when I was always told that Razor smashes that matchup because of static link, and I thought it still held despite the nerfs to the skill

    Zarse

      But razor got nerfed significantly, and so did OD as far as I remember, both in a bad spot, I suppose OD is more useful on lategame but Razor should win now if he maxes out his combo. Deservedly so, OD reigned over mid for three fucking years.

      Only thing that really got really good is Clinkz mid, he can beat Huskar mid, which is your usual last pick suspect

      Kabir singh's bo0ster

        ^ forgot about the other usual last pick suspect that is also not dogshit this patch and that is Brood.

        Kabir singh's bo0ster

          Since razes stack and people figured SF out more, SF has become a more favorable matchup against TA especially youngster TA's that don't ship a salve instantly and take refraction level 1. You can just auto attack her at weird angles and then raze her down for her whole HP pool, its much easier for SF if you know how to play this matchup correctly.

          ReHa

            Huskar vs Ember was auto loss back in the day , now you can do ok since Huskar is shit

            StaRBerry

              TA stomps Huskar hard with new meld.

              '96 Neve Campbell

                Tbh when I go mid the thing I fear as a melee hero is being against Monkey King. That hero literally dicks any melee hero in lane, even some ranged ones

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                flourishing new leaf

                  Mirana, but still fun

                  ETd

                    TA stomps Huskar hard with new meld.

                    Really? That's one that was traditionally favored towards Huskar. Didn't even know this, thanks. Then again, people in Legend still don't adjust skill build in lane, still ignore meld.

                    Shou

                      people pick huskar or ta rn?

                      Where is my Hu Tao

                        https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/huskar
                        ? best vs ta at 58% win rate.

                        Shou

                          congrats uve figured out that total dotabuff data isnt valuable

                          Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                            hmm im not so sure about that new meld stomping huskar, huskar just have so much regen and have disarm

                            StaRBerry

                              Try it, regen is shit until spell is lvl 3-4 and you still need str for it to be good ; -5 armor for a single point investment is no joke.

                              Dota psychologist

                                ^ Go 1v1 me, I go Huskar, u do ur genius TA build.

                                Shou

                                  i can see lvl 1-2 ta beating lvl 1-2 huskar cuz he doesnt fucking do anything at that point but hoenstly i dont see how lvl 3-4 huskar loses to ta, like you should probably buy an small armor item in lane for this reason, and since huskar cna orbwalk if he is doing it right he shouldnt be tanking creeps while ta does. i guess if ta gets a good block and manages to double wave with creep advantage then she could set up a really good scenario where huskar is against her and a whole creepwave, but idk

                                  Dota psychologist

                                    TA doesn't do anything level 1 either, Huskar just spams her with spears to deal decent amount of harass. Level 2 Huskar takes passive and any harass TA did to him backfires. Level 3 Huskar takes disarm, if TA ever walks up to commit her 150 range meld that takes forever to go off he can just disarm her and beat her up with spears.

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                                    Where is my Hu Tao

                                      First 10 mins laning phase only i have never seen any ta beat huskar. Forget the burning spear just the disarm alone ta does does nothing

                                      Shou

                                        the disarm alone doesnt mean anything, also i think ur right abt ta being weak lvl 1 and 2 too, but im unsure who is weaker, i think it all comes down to the same way people beat heroes like viper in lane even in unfavored melee matchups, like being able to block properly and control the creeps better by dragging and double waving and all this shit.

                                        Dota psychologist

                                          Doesn't do much against a hero that can literally walk past the creeps and hit you without pulling aggro, having a good block does help tho. You're moving the argument tho, this guy said TA can beat Huskar cause of the new meld, which is not true cause she will never hit him with the meld in the first place.

                                          Shou

                                            well u can walk up and hit ta if they can drag creeps under tower is what i meant. yeah im not really arguing that ta with meld could beat huskar, more just wondering abt the matchup.

                                            ETd

                                              The basic shit I’ve gathered:
                                              Huskar matchups are harder, but he should still win lane. Those mid matchups that were against him before, are REALLY against him now
                                              SF’s problem matchups became more manageable because of raze stacking(TA is more manageable, QoP went from hell lane to 50/50 or even SF’s favor because of raze combo)
                                              Bloodseeker(still relevant for me lol) went from winning some mid matchups hard, to drawing/losing a lot of the 1v1s(Used to love BS mid against Invo, now I have to just be content with drawing the lane, or even avoid dying)

                                              ETd

                                                ^Just tell me if my analyses were horribly off lol, that’s just what I gathered from recent mid experiences with and against these heroes

                                                ReHa

                                                  lol this turned quickly into a huskar vs ta post .
                                                  But seriously Huskar shits on her in lane ... Only low skill retards argue for TA

                                                  Androgynous

                                                    i dont really play sf but i think the biggest change was ferrying out regen for yourself. back in the day you had to go bottle and get runes, using clarities in lane wasnt a thing, and mangos didnt exist yet, and now we also have personal couriers.

                                                    StaRBerry

                                                      ^ Go 1v1 me, I go Huskar, u do ur genius TA build.

                                                      Ancient level smurf trash talking back to me? Lets indeed go 1v1 asswipe.

                                                      Same for the ReHa trash that allows himself to comment while losing normal skilled games.

                                                      For real... just shut the fuck up when you have no clue what you're talking about or the level of the games mentioned.

                                                      StaRBerry

                                                        Rofl... and looking at your dotabuff, you're not even close to ancient on your smurf — single hero you have semi-decent KDR on also has a game over an hours worth of fountain farming: 6 KDR even after a 80-3-30 game haha

                                                        Really just stfu.

                                                        StaRBerry

                                                          Don't make me wait... it's now or monday morning, otherwise I'm enjoying the beach.

                                                          Dota psychologist

                                                            Yea add me on this ID.

                                                            Dota psychologist
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                                                              StaRBerry

                                                                Actual friend ID please? None of my smurfs have 5$ spent.

                                                                Dota psychologist

                                                                  What do you mean? Just make a lobby and lets 1v1.

                                                                  Dota psychologist

                                                                    U can add me simply to communicate what lobby etc.

                                                                    StaRBerry

                                                                      Are you fucking retarded? The NUMBERS on your profile, also known as FRIEND ID are the easiest way to invite you to a fucking GROUP without having to add you through the actual friend system.

                                                                      Dota psychologist

                                                                        You don't know how to open dotabuff profile and just copy the ID? 1114306796 1114306796 1114306796 1114306796

                                                                        Dota psychologist

                                                                          I made a public lobby its name PiketteClairey, password is dota123, just join and g.

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                                                                          StaRBerry

                                                                            https://imgur.com/a/lLbgKRf

                                                                            Oh yeah you really did...

                                                                            StaRBerry

                                                                              Waste more of my time please.

                                                                              Dota psychologist

                                                                                Idk why its not showing https://prnt.sc/u0kkwz. You try if you know how to do it better.

                                                                                Dota psychologist

                                                                                  And you're the one wasting time, you won't even add me after I've given you my ID, you're taking 15 min to reply, and you haven't made any effort to make this happen, just spectating like an idiot and expecting things to happen on its own.

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                                                                                  StaRBerry

                                                                                    Hey fucktard. I've invited 4x so fucking far — I've searched for your fucking lobby — I've invited you directly from your profile.

                                                                                    If you're a retard that can't even check his on/off social options of a smurf... that's not MY fault.

                                                                                    I'm 7012 this is a smurf leveled from 0 to higher than your fucking main without even trying ; you are wasting MY TIME.

                                                                                    Not the fucking other way around.

                                                                                    StaRBerry

                                                                                      Edit more bitch.

                                                                                      Dota psychologist

                                                                                        Invite again.

                                                                                        StaRBerry

                                                                                          https://imgur.com/a/hqDt3in literally go ahead & KYS after wasting over 30m of my time.

                                                                                          StaRBerry

                                                                                            Can a neutral party host a lobby & invite us both please?

                                                                                            Dota psychologist

                                                                                              Can you join my party wtf is wrong with why is this so hard for you, I invite you to lobby u won't join, u invite me in party but not lobby, and then u disband it when I explain to u how to invite me. Jesus christ why so scared who cares if u lose, u have such balls talking about your build and now ur scared to 1v1 some "low skill" random.

                                                                                              StaRBerry

                                                                                                Wow... you are indeed a liar. Jesus christ stop making up bullshit & actually JOIN when I invite & then post SCREENSHOTS OF ME INVITING YOUR SAD ASS.

                                                                                                You are an unskilled piece of shit that stalled for time & then fucking takes 25m to join a damn lobby.
                                                                                                You have no game skill, no game knowledge, and no fucking balls.

                                                                                                StaRBerry

                                                                                                  Don't even try to turn this around. Face to face in a room I'd have already broken your teeth in if you dared to act like that.

                                                                                                  Dota psychologist

                                                                                                    What? Why did u disband the lobby in 1 minute of it existing then? I tried my best to solve the problem of why I'm not in the fucking lobby that I'm for some reason not invited to and u just run away without answering instantly. Whatever 4k shitstain keep dodging.

                                                                                                    1 min lobby exists he disbands it and won't accept my invites pathetic.

                                                                                                    Dota psychologist

                                                                                                      Whatever you're safe now, you can make your little threats by typing u smelly virgin, all bark no bite.

                                                                                                      Dota psychologist

                                                                                                        This is your zone, typing like a little bitch.