General Discussionjust wondering any pudge player thinks pudge is op. because i havent ...
just wondering any pudge player thinks pudge is op. because i havent lost a single solo mid this month unless im lagging very badly and keep disconnected. in General Discussion
@sky since when i say im pro. i just said this hero is over powered and open this conversation for pudge player. but people like u keep coming in and trash talk even though ur in a lower skill bracket. i am not suprise even if u show me a player with 95% win rate because i know this hero can achieve that if u 'know how to play it'. its really normal to me
and i will reach that percentile and i will prove it =) its not that hard actually. i will proof that im not a trash talker like u that only know how to talk
@istare It's not an uncommon thing to "forget" what you said in your previous posts when someone crushes you with logical arguments. By the way , i bet me (a normal player) can kick your ass so add me in steam and let's arrange a 1v1 and upload it on youtube afterwards. And even if i lose i am still only the tip of the iceberg. So fuck off and have a nice day if you don't accept my challenge little, cocky boy with your petty, pathetic e-penis showoff. ;)
I'm not a Pudge player myself, but I have friends who love playing him and I have played against Pudge for quite a lot of times.
Pudge is a formidable mid hero since he forces the enemy mid to always be aware of his position. So, when I play support against enemy team that has Pudge, I'd place a observer ward to provide vision on mid. Also, my friends who play Pudge would suggest that against Pudge at mid, people should move in somewhat random ways so that it's a bit less predictable.
@rampaldi and how can u dream of achieving that. He is trashing the level of players who are currently trashing u. Wats ur purpose actually. He clearly stated that it is open for pudge player that has experienced what he did. U think its easy to raise ur winning rate from 53 to 57%. I would like to c u raise ur winning rate by 1%
Wow Jesus ppl in dota are retarded, no i take that back people in general are retarded. Pudge gets shitted on by ppl like qop and od. Its easy to beat a retard you know?
when I see pudge I get qop , if pudge is good he will stay hugging the tower, if he is not he will die a horrible death trying to last hit. Usually pudge will leave mid @ 6 underfarmed with maybe brown boots or a bottle or both and thats about it. Simple ways to counter pudge in mid.
Pudj will never hook anyone who isnt stunned and no1 will get into unfair fight with pudge nearby fag stop playing mid against blind templars and retarded picks
@navi well this so called blind templars and retarded are all in very high skill bracket whereas ur in normal bracket. and these blind templars can pawn u without question
istareintoyourbloodysoul, I guarantee that your solo queue performance is from playing against idiots. Now, before you grow defensive, I'm not saying YOU are bad - in fact, you could be a professional player on a smurf for all I know. I draw this conclusion being a 1k+ win player that has had TONS of bad experiences with the "new" (it's not so new now) MM algorithm where players like you with good rating (and consequently good win ratios like 55-70) and only 200 wins creep into my games. Sometimes they are good, but often, they feed like crazy. Sometimes I'm able to feed off the corresponding 200 win person on the other team and win, other times I just can't recover from a 7 - 0 Slark with a 9 minute lothars and 20 minutes skadii. I'm sure other players with a huge number of wins shares this sentiment. No matter what Valve says about its MM algorithm (specifically, the statistics behind low win players etc.), this shit is noticeable and only started happening after they "fixed" wait times in MM.
In other words, I'd like to see your Pudge performance solo queueing on my account or on your own when you reach 800+ wins.
Now, if all of this is 5 stacking (I assumed it's solo queueing), then big woop. There are plenty of people abusing that avenue already.
@vandal 800 games are long way to go. i dont 5 man stacking i just played like normal and i dont abuse anything. just like normal playing with friend having fun .
@istare All in all Pudge is by no means a viable mid hero against high skilled players (and above) since he has so many anti-heroes that can shut him down. Anyway, if you feel like proving to others that you are indeed a high skilled Pudge you could try making a movie and showing off your "moves". This would end all arguments since everyone can easily distinguish good Pudge's opponents versus not so good ones. Pudge is just a fun pick, nothing more, nothing less.
LoL > defense of the casu... gave you a decent list of heros that beat pudge easily.
I am always happy to meet a pudge mid. Just put a ward uphill on his ramp and he cannot do shit. I wipe the floor with pudges with bloodseeker on a regular base.
Pudge has NOTHING to make him a good midlaner, beside he needs the lvl and can do something with runes. Against teams who ward proper you will not do shit.
1. Pudge is melee
2. Pudge has no lane presence aka harrassment spells
3. Pudge has low starting armor and armorgain
He is just a pubstomphero, that can easy snowball. You rely 100% on your hookskills. If you are great at hooking (aka dendi) you can even play him competetive.
What do you want to do if you face a naix/jugger/ursa/bloodseeker/viper mid.
Pudge is generally a good hero to play in games, but if you're talking about pudge laning at mid then quite frankly it's a bad matchup against most heroes and they'll usually lose the lane until they get levels and start ganking. How on earth does a pudge control lane? Forget about classic mid heroes, I've won against mid pudges with sven luna coz I have higher base damage and they couldn't land any early hooks on me.
First of all it's actually not easy to get hooked in the early laning stage if you just make sure that there is always a creep between you and the pudge? See the pudge disappear into fog on high ground? Then position yourself according and move back, or plant an obs on the pudge's side of the high ground so you will always know where he is standing. Not all but some pudges also like to plant obs wards on the opponent's high ground for hooks, suspect something and deward it if you realize he's often throwing "blind hooks" in your direction while you're standing in fog on high ground.
Pudge sees you're a melee mid hero and the creep is going on low health, he knows you're going to hit it and is prepared to hook you. Then just don't get hooked because while he's anticipating where you're going to move to in order to last hit, you're also able to anticipate where he is going to hook from while you're going to last hit.
And similarly when it's the last creep or something. A lot of pudges like to tell me how they'll hook the person right away after the opponent kills the last creep standing there and there is no longer any obstacles to hinder hooks. They're not idiots, they know the hook will be coming after that last hit so they'll adjust their position to get that last hit. ~_~
I haven't seen your replays, but generally speaking unless your pudge can always land great magical hooks then people who have been laning against you on mid and losing are jokers. You sure you're not playing in normal tier?
But of coz I'm not saying pudge loses games, he just loses the early laning stages most of the time.
I just want to tell you that all about the players .. Pudge is good but he has a lot of flaws ... Dota wouldnt be interesting that for every hero there is no anti-hero ... And since so many blame the pudge but ask yourself just what will Dendi or someone like that did u with Pudge or someone else who play good...I just said Dendi btw its a lot of players(pubbers) who is going to eat u for breakfast with this hero...So dont blame the heroes...As i said,its all about players...
@sky since when i say im pro. i just said this hero is over powered and open this conversation for pudge player. but people like u keep coming in and trash talk even though ur in a lower skill bracket. i am not suprise even if u show me a player with 95% win rate because i know this hero can achieve that if u 'know how to play it'. its really normal to me
and i will reach that percentile and i will prove it =) its not that hard actually. i will proof that im not a trash talker like u that only know how to talk
Pudge easily get wrecked by a Bane or Necrolyte mid. Sleep while rotting 1/2 your HP gone. Necrolyte aura also kills a melee hero in mid
@istare It's not an uncommon thing to "forget" what you said in your previous posts when someone crushes you with logical arguments. By the way , i bet me (a normal player) can kick your ass so add me in steam and let's arrange a 1v1 and upload it on youtube afterwards. And even if i lose i am still only the tip of the iceberg. So fuck off and have a nice day if you don't accept my challenge little, cocky boy with your petty, pathetic e-penis showoff. ;)
Smoke of Deceit
I'm not a Pudge player myself, but I have friends who love playing him and I have played against Pudge for quite a lot of times.
Pudge is a formidable mid hero since he forces the enemy mid to always be aware of his position. So, when I play support against enemy team that has Pudge, I'd place a observer ward to provide vision on mid. Also, my friends who play Pudge would suggest that against Pudge at mid, people should move in somewhat random ways so that it's a bit less predictable.
@rampaldi and how can u dream of achieving that. He is trashing the level of players who are currently trashing u. Wats ur purpose actually. He clearly stated that it is open for pudge player that has experienced what he did. U think its easy to raise ur winning rate from 53 to 57%. I would like to c u raise ur winning rate by 1%
Wow Jesus ppl in dota are retarded, no i take that back people in general are retarded. Pudge gets shitted on by ppl like qop and od. Its easy to beat a retard you know?
when I see pudge I get qop , if pudge is good he will stay hugging the tower, if he is not he will die a horrible death trying to last hit. Usually pudge will leave mid @ 6 underfarmed with maybe brown boots or a bottle or both and thats about it. Simple ways to counter pudge in mid.
@infinite u talk like an uncivilised retard that's for sure. @letsfeed do u even noe what ur talking.
Yeah i am talking about that pudge is not op. I did not offend you I just pointed out what other players should do if they see pudge in the game.
I hear Omniknight is good Vs Pudge?
I'm not offended just not really sure ur points haha
@monkeh maybe depends on team preferences
Pudj will never hook anyone who isnt stunned and no1 will get into unfair fight with pudge nearby fag stop playing mid against blind templars and retarded picks
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"lemme challendge you to 1v1 'cause that's what counts the most in dota 2, your e-pen"
@navi well this so called blind templars and retarded are all in very high skill bracket whereas ur in normal bracket. and these blind templars can pawn u without question
yea ok nice argument fag, maybe u just make a "LUKE AT ME I 57% WINDRUNNER VERY HI SKIL BAGET HUEHUEHUE" thred?
istareintoyourbloodysoul, I guarantee that your solo queue performance is from playing against idiots. Now, before you grow defensive, I'm not saying YOU are bad - in fact, you could be a professional player on a smurf for all I know. I draw this conclusion being a 1k+ win player that has had TONS of bad experiences with the "new" (it's not so new now) MM algorithm where players like you with good rating (and consequently good win ratios like 55-70) and only 200 wins creep into my games. Sometimes they are good, but often, they feed like crazy. Sometimes I'm able to feed off the corresponding 200 win person on the other team and win, other times I just can't recover from a 7 - 0 Slark with a 9 minute lothars and 20 minutes skadii. I'm sure other players with a huge number of wins shares this sentiment. No matter what Valve says about its MM algorithm (specifically, the statistics behind low win players etc.), this shit is noticeable and only started happening after they "fixed" wait times in MM.
In other words, I'd like to see your Pudge performance solo queueing on my account or on your own when you reach 800+ wins.
Now, if all of this is 5 stacking (I assumed it's solo queueing), then big woop. There are plenty of people abusing that avenue already.
@vandal 800 games are long way to go. i dont 5 man stacking i just played like normal and i dont abuse anything. just like normal playing with friend having fun .
@istare All in all Pudge is by no means a viable mid hero against high skilled players (and above) since he has so many anti-heroes that can shut him down. Anyway, if you feel like proving to others that you are indeed a high skilled Pudge you could try making a movie and showing off your "moves". This would end all arguments since everyone can easily distinguish good Pudge's opponents versus not so good ones. Pudge is just a fun pick, nothing more, nothing less.
If skill is equal Pudge loses to a lot of the better mids
Silencer Bat QoP Magnus Nyx Puck Invoker to name a few
Pudge shits on SF and TA (though if the SF plays flawlessly he beats every mid)
Pudge shits on TA? Really? You gotta be kidding.
TA is essentially a melee hero with no outs early. If you can get your rot on her early when you have the high ground she dies.
LoL > defense of the casu... gave you a decent list of heros that beat pudge easily.
I am always happy to meet a pudge mid. Just put a ward uphill on his ramp and he cannot do shit. I wipe the floor with pudges with bloodseeker on a regular base.
Pudge has NOTHING to make him a good midlaner, beside he needs the lvl and can do something with runes. Against teams who ward proper you will not do shit.
1. Pudge is melee
2. Pudge has no lane presence aka harrassment spells
3. Pudge has low starting armor and armorgain
He is just a pubstomphero, that can easy snowball. You rely 100% on your hookskills. If you are great at hooking (aka dendi) you can even play him competetive.
What do you want to do if you face a naix/jugger/ursa/bloodseeker/viper mid.
http://www.playdota.com/guides/king-of-solo-mid-4483
He is a rank C hero.
One of my fav heros is Bloodseeker. But i won't be an arrogant prick to say: BEST MID EVER.
A Qop/Invoker on the same Skilllvl will beat me and my BS any time of the day. Same goes for your pudge.
That sure is an up to date guide, putting voker as a top tier solo mid :)
Its not up to date, but it is ok...
Voker is still better mid than pudge.
my winning rape is 100% against pudge with shadow shaman,only lows play pudge
Pudge is generally a good hero to play in games, but if you're talking about pudge laning at mid then quite frankly it's a bad matchup against most heroes and they'll usually lose the lane until they get levels and start ganking. How on earth does a pudge control lane? Forget about classic mid heroes, I've won against mid pudges with sven luna coz I have higher base damage and they couldn't land any early hooks on me.
First of all it's actually not easy to get hooked in the early laning stage if you just make sure that there is always a creep between you and the pudge? See the pudge disappear into fog on high ground? Then position yourself according and move back, or plant an obs on the pudge's side of the high ground so you will always know where he is standing. Not all but some pudges also like to plant obs wards on the opponent's high ground for hooks, suspect something and deward it if you realize he's often throwing "blind hooks" in your direction while you're standing in fog on high ground.
Pudge sees you're a melee mid hero and the creep is going on low health, he knows you're going to hit it and is prepared to hook you. Then just don't get hooked because while he's anticipating where you're going to move to in order to last hit, you're also able to anticipate where he is going to hook from while you're going to last hit.
And similarly when it's the last creep or something. A lot of pudges like to tell me how they'll hook the person right away after the opponent kills the last creep standing there and there is no longer any obstacles to hinder hooks. They're not idiots, they know the hook will be coming after that last hit so they'll adjust their position to get that last hit. ~_~
I haven't seen your replays, but generally speaking unless your pudge can always land great magical hooks then people who have been laning against you on mid and losing are jokers. You sure you're not playing in normal tier?
But of coz I'm not saying pudge loses games, he just loses the early laning stages most of the time.
I just want to tell you that all about the players .. Pudge is good but he has a lot of flaws ... Dota wouldnt be interesting that for every hero there is no anti-hero ... And since so many blame the pudge but ask yourself just what will Dendi or someone like that did u with Pudge or someone else who play good...I just said Dendi btw its a lot of players(pubbers) who is going to eat u for breakfast with this hero...So dont blame the heroes...As i said,its all about players...
Obsi would eat pudge 1v1 mid..
Well...he won't die from Pudge, but he also won't kill him unless that Pudge is really bad or if he calls for a mid gank.
Hey OP. Here's a challenge for ya. 1v1 mid and we will find out if pudge is OP. Fail to accept confirms your a pussy
Why didn't he 1v1 IXMike when Mike asked? I'd watch that replay all day.
Besides, his win rate is less than 70% with Pudge, you guys are letting this topic snowball harder than Medusa in a 2 hour game.
lol pudge mid OP ? ......
Good luck playing pudge mid against OD .... you 13 mana boy. And even if you get a hook he will just astral you and run away.
Or QoP ..... Or puck ....even necro at lvl 6 can end up killing pudge ( he loses a lot of hp per second thx to necro aura ).