General DiscussionJerax Master of Earth

nerf needed lol

let him be as far as i know he isnt in cm anyway

I'm conflicted about ES... I mean he needs a nerf, but its still a high skill hero, and ruining that would suck.

I think it would be best to just slow his combos down somehow, or maybe just not allow him to drop remnants while he is casting/rolling.

Just don't make his ulti refresh itself just because you put a fucking rock in there. That's pretty much the biggest bullshit Dota ever had. Other than that I guess he is fine.

nah... i had to play against an ES with a CM on his team for mana regen the other day. that main level 3 combo is sorta bullshit. Yes, its harder to do than some other stuff, but he does a huge amount of damage and completely changes your position in 2 seconds.

I don't really see what the problem is, ES has been around for a while in dota 1.

its just cuz its a new hero ppl dunno what to do vs him thats all

Stone is hard as fuck to aim. needs practice.

I am Second in Command then Muahahahah

I am an earth spirit player too....
Winning like 12 -13 game in consecutive

Great hero & a great player for sure, but one big reason why ES seems op is that people don't understand how to deal with him. And you deal with him just like with any high mobility/blink hero: you pick someone with a silence & build Orchid/Hex.

Earth Spirit in Dota 1 wasn't as fluid because of the engine imo. Its like that for almost all heroes.

Its just a little different, and with ES that makes a big difference.

He is going to get the bat.

look at it go

Which other hero has this: AOE LONG RANGE silence, AOE LONG RANGE stun, GREAT NUKING DAMAGE, FANTASTIC SLOW, VERY HIGH MOBILITY - JOIN FIGHTS AND ESCAPE, CAN SAVE ALLIES, CAN PUSH ALLIES INTO MELEE RANGE FOR THEM DO DEAL SERIOUS DAMAGE, GRRREAT ULTIMATE AOE ABILITY, WHICH CAN BE REFRESHED OVER AND OVER AGAIN, CAN KNOCKBACK ENEMY HEROES OUT OF POSITION, TANKY AS HELL, - VERY LOW CD's - AND THIS IS NOT ALL. Seems legit right? Yes he is very high-skill cap hero but, HE IS OP AS HELL.

I admit, ES is in a way, 'op.' But not much in dota is really that op, since MOST item/hero has a counter. The variety of what he can do is overwhelming for some.

Just wait for the nerf hammer guys. And don't cry when/if he receives the Xin treatment.

please please PLEASE stop calling him ES

@KORD1G

You can basically do what you did for all heroes and make them sound OP.

Take Spectre for example. PURE damage carry. ILLUSIONS HAVE PURE DAMAGE. Ulti to ANY ENEMY on the map. Ulti and first skill IGNORES TERRAIN. GREAT ESCAPE. Damage STACKS WITH UAMs. Ulti FOLLOWS INVI UNITS. TANKY AS HELL. DEFLECTS DAMAGE AND HARMS ENEMIES AT THE SAME TIME FOR A WHOPPING 1k RANGE. FIRST SKILL NUKE + SLOW.

It's all a matter of perspective, really.

To be honest, heroes like tinker also have a high skill cap, but have a chance to become OP. Despite the skills that the Earth Spirit possesses, it still takes a lot to execute. And even then, a simple disable like a silence or stun renders him useless.

I don't think he is OP. He is just a hero when you can play him good he is really strong hero like puck, meepo, invoker etc.

Also, some people can play him really well, and many people don't really know the hero, so they have no idea how to counter it. How often, don't you see people write "WFT is this hero, fucking op shit" - often, it is just because people don't know how to counter it.

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I can't play it - yet. :D

i just want this hero to stop fuckin save everyone from 2k range like its normal

First of all, for spectre becoming anything that you said above like "pure damage carry, tanky as hell, deflecting damage, doing damage" she HAS to be farmed (a lot) and she has very low earlygame presence, so its hard to get to that point, while es can rape ur face ez with bottle, boots and lvl 6. Bro, spectre was one of the better heroes for chasing but.... es has stun (AOE), AND a silence (AOE), AND a slow, AND a very high mobility. He can even save alies, and knock enemies out of position. You can put him everywhere than carry position, he can do good as a support, middle or offlaner. Can you put spectre as a support?
Imo, spectre is a good hero, but earth spirit has everything, than a carrying potential, therfore i think he is OP. There are ways to counter him (BKB, silences, which counters most of the heroes) but every hero has a counters, right?

@Pilot
Yes, a simple stun and silence render him useless.. just like any other heroes

Guys, if ES is OP, why don't you guys play him before he's nerfed

@KORD1G

You are right in saying earth's spirit versatility is his strength, but I honestly doubt his potential to win the game single handedly especially in mid-higher level games when a lot of players would think about getting BKBs/Pipes/Silences/Disables. Yes, he is very strong in the early-mid game, but he falls off quick at the late game with regards to damage.

Personally though, I think there will be always be certain heroes with OP aspects. And yeah, everyone has a counter. It's just that we cannot over exaggerate the skill of every hero.

@Above

It's true though. Silencing an Earth Spirit basically reduces him to nothing.