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Hex Sigma

    I am not a very good mid player. TBH i don't even like the role that much(and it doesn't suit my gameplay). Besides zeus, idk how to play the majority of mid heroes. And when i am sayin heroes i am refering to nukers in particular. So today i tried to play qop; needless to say that i sucked hard with it. I found that you have to keep an eye on your mana the entire early and mid game (unlike zeus), often the heroes that i was ganking escaped with like 10% hp. I also found the positioning kinda hard. Well it's not the hero's fault but mine. Now on to the subject, i heard that qop is pretty hard to play(now i even tested it and i saw that it is indeed). What are the easier mid nukers? (besides zeus ofc)

    If someone can make me a list with the difficulty?

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      DP

      there's not that many other "nuke" mid-type heroes that are "easy"

      Hex Sigma

        yea i found that the majority of them need perfect postioning(qop, storm, silencer)

        i was thinking of batrider mb? or od?

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          well... i wouldnt really consider storm/silencer a nuker nor batrider or od actually

          i mean, remnant, curse of silent and flamebreak are the only real "nukes" they have.

          batrider is fairly newb friendly, albeit if the person knows not to let you stack past 2-3 napalms and also buys a magic wand, then you'll have a more difficult time. they might even rush boots first for safety.

          Big Boost Big Boobs

            legion commander

            Wink

              skywrath is an easy nuker

              Zahard

                ogre skywrath pugna zeus. od isn't really a nuker, you need high lvl to have your orb maxed so you actually start dealing damage. however od is really easy if you want to win mid ez

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                Nemesis

                  hi raspharus

                  how well do you last hit in mid? from my experience on improving yourself, the hero doesn't matter nearly as much as your execution. obviously some heroes are better than others for pubs, (popular high level mids such as storm/invoker/ta are generally stronger than obscure mids like pugna due to their ganking potential) but you should not worry so much about winning as much as improving. i advised you about that a few months ago, idk if you took what i said to heart.

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                  Hex Sigma

                    @ hi!

                    well as you can see if you check my acc, i climbed from 42% win rate to 46%. So yes i guess i improved a little. Moaning and crying about teammates will get you nothing, it should depend on you(mostly) the outcome of the game.

                    After some practice games i realized that mid is not about hero difficulty/item knowledge. It's about mechanics and perfect execution. That's why it doesn't fit me. Idk why tho i can play zeus mid on an acceptable lvl(its the only hero that i can play mid without getting roflstomped; it's the only mid hero that i can gank well with)

                    The deal with playing nukers is that i should not make kills. Technically speaking i should not. I don't know if pugna for example has the same snowball and carry potential as let's say od or zeus. For ex if i get very fat on zeus i know that i will be able to carry. If i get very fat on lesh or pugna idk if i can carry. That is another thing that is bothering me.

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                    Nemesis

                      it's ok to whine about teammates, everyone does. just remember you can make a difference. the higher ur skill level, the higher your "1v5" threshold is (the level at which you can win the vast majority of ur games even with all 4 teammates feeding).

                      as for mids, idk about the 2k bracket so i can't comment. death prophet i would think should be a free win if you practice her 10-20 times, just make sure you push towers at the right times, don't overextend (don't run into 5 and die with ur ult on), and build the right items.

                      Mia

                        if you are in unranked or <4k try lina mid

                        shits op

                        h.u.r.g.

                          Puck

                          #ezmode

                          MadBeast

                            Qop is hard to last hit with, not really hard to play with.

                            Hex Sigma

                              ^hmm nope i find her att animation very flui compared to lina or lesh.

                              on topic : which nukers have carry potential? For examplr i wont be able to carry with a fed lion as i could carry with zeus

                              Wink

                                invoker, sky, qop

                                Hafla Enjoyer

                                  a fed skywrath mage is bad. for the enemy team, of course.
                                  morphling mid isnt that common but can fit your needs
                                  and tinker can carry and split push too.

                                  Hex Sigma

                                    i was thinking of morph. Tho ethereal blade(which is 4k) is a little bit hard to rush. What do you guys think about shotgun morph?
                                    i played him once and it seemed op, but i heard that its kinda crappy.

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                                    Hafla Enjoyer

                                      bullshit. shotgun morph is imba.

                                      Hex Sigma

                                        ok now the big question. How the hell do i morph? how much str? how much agi? and do i rush eblade or linken?

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                                        Hafla Enjoyer

                                          when the game begins morph some strength until you have enough damage to last confidently. at some point I like to go yolo and morph all the strength but that's probably too risky. but damn fun lol.
                                          deciding what big item to build first is a good question and depends on the game. if they have a lot of single target disables, a linkens will give you enough time to react.

                                          Hex Sigma

                                            a friend told me that i fights you need to have 2x of ur str in agi(if you have 50 str that means 100 agi

                                            Wink

                                              i prefer wave form level 1 over morph because wave is an escape, chase, and nuke, thus far more reliable than morph

                                              Hex Sigma

                                                so should i take the mid lane? as morph ofc. I thought he is better on sidelane

                                                Wink

                                                  arteezy was doing morph mid like a month ago and just dominated with it, but he can also side lane just fine.

                                                  Dipshit

                                                    You morph for 2x your str as agi when you go to nuke, not while you're in lane csing.

                                                    Dire Wolf

                                                      Lina and sky both have snowball potential cus they have scaling abilities, lina's firey soul and sky's arcane orb increasing dmg via int gain. I don't really think zeus carries, he just nukes so hard early with aghs and refresher, if you build both of those the enemy has to be like lvl 18 with many items to survive that. Death prophet can carry a team if you get her super tanky and just let her ult kill everyone while she runs around laughing.

                                                      I actually dislike nukers mid (aside from dp, she's more a pusher) cus if they don't get like 3-4 early kills they fall off so quickly and then that great farm potential mid is wasted. Like if you go zeus middle you now still need 2 carries most likely and 2 supports so you're forcing one of the carries to either jungle or try and farm off lane. Much easier if you go off laner who just disrupts instead of needing farm like an axe or cent or something, a mid farmer/carry/ganker like storm or qop and a safe lane hard carry.

                                                      Hafla Enjoyer

                                                        @ *ESP* Wink

                                                        morph also passively gives you 3 agility and 3 strength at level 1, that's why I prefer it over waveform.

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                                                        Gustaphos

                                                          ZEUS!!