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General DiscussionThe reverse Swiftending's experiment

The reverse Swiftending's experiment in General Discussion
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    I'm a 3.8k mmr player, nothing more nothing less. I will have my credit card on tonight and i am willing to pay anyone through paypal (a logical ammount of money of course, faggots will be rejected) in order to let me use his account for 30 games only (i want it to be at least 5.8k), face competitive players and prove that mmr means nothing as well as winrate. Let's do this.

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    Neme

      Why just don't buy account?

      Edit : Ah, you want trial of it, not to start from scratch.

      My bad then.

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      eXcel

        1v1 me mid, I'm 4.5k. I'll show you it means a lot.

        Dire Wolf

          I'm pretty sure any 5.8k player will wipe the floor with you. Will you lose every single ranked game? No of course not, your teammates will carry you in many situations and as long as you don't make errors and play not to lose they might win some for you, but trust me a 5.8k player makes better decisions and has faster reaction times than a 3.8k player and it's by quite a bit.

          Vaikiss`742.

            yes mmr doesn't mean shit

            but pub players and actual dota players means shit

            salt enjoyer

              Not even a mid player or even that high and I think vs me you will struggle.....there is a massive difference. It isn't the number that sets you apart, MMR was initially assigned to people who deserved it and you will NEVER be able to hold your own against a pro player should you ever meet one.

              Trodlabundin

                1. I saw how shit you were in those 1v1's versus Wink.
                2. Guiri, 4442 rating, not 4,5k.
                3. ^That wasn't serious doe.

                Wink

                  you cant even beat a 3.9k 1v1 as sf and you think you can win 5.8k games?

                  Trodlabundin

                    glad you got your rating right this time :D lovelove

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                    Dipshit

                      You people sooooo missed the point.

                      Gustaphos

                        If you can beat my 3k butt mid 1v1 how about you friend me and put your money where your mouth is. It should be an easy win mid I'll play whatever you want man. Best 2 of 3? Neutral server?

                        sano

                          I don't want to get paid for someone to fuck my MMR

                          I'm doing this well enough by myself

                          Y2aat

                            You can play against professional players at 3.8k :D. I was against Fear the other night, one of his teammates had a 3.6k mmr LOLOL.

                            Phenomenal

                              You can pay and try 30 games on the highest level... but after that you wont even want to hear about this game anymore for at least a month, cause you'll be so knocked down and stomped.

                              Some people buy 5k and even 6k accounts, pay a lot of money and then fuckin feed for 100 games straght and ruin experience for players who actually deserve to be there. Whats the point of that? After few days you wont even know anymore what a win is.

                              60fps+

                                Hate me as much as you can and make me stronger, i will need it. The only reason i did 1v1 with Wink was to show him that i am a better Pudge than he is (because that's all i claimed to be) but i am way beyond this childish behaviour now. By the way Wink i've only played about 5 games with Sf and have 0% winrate with him, still happy that you won me? Xaxa... I mean if you still believe that 1v1 proves anything then i will simply ignore you because i don't have much time to waste with all of you guys. The only thing that i want and care about is to find someone to lend me his account and let me play 30 games with it and prove that i can and i will remain at the exact same mmr as i got it. You all forget where you started from once all this fame, lights and insignificant number kicks in. Everything you see that amazes you was made here, in the "pub" as you call it, underground. My experiment will prove that nothing actually belongs to anyone of you, i talk about the knowledge of course, fucking cunts. As i will remind you once more this is kind of "pubstar" versus competitive players race. The rest of your comments are simply unimportant, wanna be pro-style and ignorant. Havoc, Vaikiss and Dipshit understood what's my point. I'll keep you updated. Bye, bye for now guys.

                                By the way, let's settle this out once and for all Caveman, Guiri and Wink. You want to face me straight? Then make a team and i'll make mine and let's 5vs5, cm, this is how it is done boys. For now i'll focus on this experiment and will arrange this later with you, thank you for your time.

                                eXcel

                                  Dangdang :((( average my 2 ratings. Hey i was 4k in both 3 weeks ago. In that time ive hit 2 x 15 winstreaks and im on a 13 winstreak atm :) (11/13 ranked, half solo before you moan)

                                  sano

                                    oh boy if my team could play EU...

                                    eXcel

                                      Pahaha ok im ready now. I have my stack.

                                      3 x mythicals?

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                                      Wink

                                        i could just ask ESP's division 1 to come and kick your ass, theyre all 5k+ players and theyd put you in your spot...

                                        Tempest Bloom

                                          "Everything you see that amazes you was made here, in the "pub" as you call it, underground."
                                          "My experiment will prove that nothing actually belongs to anyone of you, i talk about the knowledge of course"

                                          are you trying to say that you're amazing? or are you trying to say that anyone can maintain an MMR anywhere?

                                          60fps+

                                            @We lost* you can test me at some games with you tonight in Russia and tell me if you would be willing to lend me your account (with payment of course) for 30 games only. I'll play anything you ask me to.

                                            @Hurricane* The only thing that concerns me about the experiment is some recent games that i watched of a friend of mine (who's standing at 5.3-5.5k to both of his 2 accounts) and i was really worried that this whole, buy-account thing yes actually ruins the whole purpose of it. I guess the only way to trully prevent these smurfs from fucking up ranked gaming is to raise the number of games to a number like at least 500 or so. And yes your opinion is definitely right and i am not saying that buying accounts is right for any reason. But having played this game for quite long i want to have a chance and face competitive players and apart from that it will be an interesting experiment. Does elo heaven exist, is it confirmed? And if yes can we all say here at exactly what mmr, hours of the day and servers we are refering to? That will make it easier for me to make this experiment as reliable and trustworthy as possible.

                                            @Knight of end* What i am actually trying to say is that if there were no guides, if there was no youtube video to offer you any advice and if you trully were alone, each one of you, then we would talk about who's pro and who isn't at this game, without any language barriers or excuses holding us back. It really pisses me off when someone offers knowledge to others that do not deserve to have it unless they try to search for it themselves and find their own answers. I will crush them and their disciples and then i will teach you and everyone else that this is a very serious lesson that should not be forgotten. And even if i don't make it, someone else better than me will and you will remember him, but most importantly you will remember the lesson.

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                                            Vandal

                                              Deca, this "experiment" goes on all the time. There's no reason to do it when we know the result. It is as known as the fact that the sun will rise tomorrow after it sets. People buy accounts with 5k-6k MMR, and they lose VERY FREQUENTLY.

                                              http://dotabuff.com/players/168722532

                                              Here is the account with 5.6k MMR (that was before he lost 30 games in a row) wielded by a faggot who bought it. I don't know the guy's actual rating, but based on his play style, I would have approximated it to be 4k-5k (Most likely: 4.5k). The problem was he did not play well enough to compete with the true 5k-6k player on the other team meant to counteract his tremendous MMR, he never does. Hence, he loses way more than he wins. Here is the actual game I got him in:

                                              http://dotabuff.com/matches/569979037?page=1#comment-143790

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                                              Tempest Bloom

                                                I still don't understand the point you're trying to make? What is the lesson you're trying to teach? You say "even if i don't make it, someone else better than me will and you will remember him" but surely that makes the whole point of this invalid? If someone better than you can do it, but you cant, it disproves your point of "anyone can be at any MMR range"?

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                                                  @Vandal*
                                                  No, it doesn't happen all the time Vandal. Not with the appropriate "candidates". I also don't remember to ever said that it can be done frequently and by a lot of people...

                                                  Credits go to Diabolic Ryu for this info:

                                                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/486574673
                                                  http://dotabuff.com/players/108818256
                                                  ^ This void(vty) is <49% yet he is playing alongside with dendi and furthermore carried the whole team like a boss with some amazing plays (game was on stream).

                                                  @Knight of the day* The point i'm trying to make is so deep that you will never see it written in an anonymous forum, listen it to a conversation or learn about it, just like that. When you find the logic that is hidden behind that specific paragraph i wrote you will be a different man,a different person. That's all i have to say about it and you won't hear anything else from me. Now time to move on and make this experiment guys..!

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                                                  sano

                                                    and what makes you an appropriate candidate? dunning-kruger is strong with this one

                                                    and yeah i'm sure this vty guy has 2k mmr that's why he was lpaying with dendi

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                                                    Tempest Bloom

                                                      Can i get some of the shit you're smoking? you're so deep i can't even see you

                                                      Phenomenal

                                                        "^ This void(vty) is <49% yet he is playing alongside with dendi and furthermore carried the whole team like a boss with some amazing plays (game was on stream)."

                                                        Lol, there's no point in what you just said. This void who played with Dendi and other high mmr players almost surely didnt buy account and DESERVES to be there, although only 49% winrate (which btw means nothing), while the guy from Vandals game most surely doesnt deserve to be AS NEAR as he is/was according to his mmr. And if you buy/take over an 5-6k account, you'll feed and lose just as many games as this second guy did and fastly drop to your real mmr. Countless people have already proven that in both ways.

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                                                        eXcel

                                                          You are fucking weird and deluded and your arrogant posts actually annoy me you horrendous cretin. Stop thinking elo heaven and hell exist. Swiftending clearly showed they dont. Forced 50% is bs too. Look at my last 3 weeks of play to see that. Ive gained 7% wr and 1k mmr in that time through #hardwork #dedication now fuck off you shit dunning kruger weirdo.

                                                          Your choice of bs language is also dumb as fuck, stop trying to pretend your some higher intellectual being when you can't even get a good score on Dota. If you reckon you could hold your own in the 5k bracket you sure as hell should be able to make it there.

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                                                          Tempest Bloom

                                                            ^#StickItToTheMan

                                                            Gustaphos

                                                              Guiri for president of largest e-peen on forum. Plz use astroglide when posting.

                                                              Wink

                                                                [size=50]GUIRI KNOWS ALL

                                                                GUIRI IS LOVE GUIRI IS LIFE [/size]

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                                                                eXcel

                                                                  Not really large E-peen. Just fed up of people moaning about this game.

                                                                  The whole thought processes of retards went like this ->

                                                                  MM forces 50% wr therefore... MM sucks we need ranked

                                                                  RMM sucks because... I was calibrated wrong/my team mates conspire against me every game therefore I'm below my true skill

                                                                  When will bads realise the MM system is 90% reliable and only other bads ruin it! (smurfs and account buyers) you are where you belong to be.

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                                                                  eXcel

                                                                    Fuck it. Every single MM complaint or ranked complaint or whatever on this forum will personally receive my abuse.

                                                                    Faded

                                                                      50% makes sense tho give or take 5%

                                                                      eXcel

                                                                        it makes sense because match making works, the theory that valve forces you to 50% is pure utter shit

                                                                        Wink

                                                                          now you know how i feel guiri :D