@Zenoth, one of the reasons for the positive winrate with vanguard could be that it is an item that you get when you're ahead in terms of farm, and good farm can be=win
If you look the the overall item builds' winrate, you'll see that stuff like refresher on Axe has a good winrate, guess why?:D
Comparing yourself to me on a hero I've played 14 games with - not to mention that I play with far better players on average - is meaningless. I may be 35% win rate on anti-mage but I'm pretty sure I play it better than a 3k player with 95% win rate on anti-mage - win rate alone doesn't matter.
You have 406 average GPM on a hero that you're so proud of. On one of the strongest late game carries. Do you have an idea how pitiful that is? Even with my "shitty win rate" on Spectre I have nearly 100 more GPM than you on average. 169 games with AM, one of the best farmers in the world and you can't even average 500 GPM - that speaks volumes about your ability to play that hero effectively.
See - this shitty defensive attitude and e-peen comparing instead of admitting your flaws is why you're stuck at whatever shitty bracket you're at.
"that it is an item that you get when you're ahead in terms of farm, and good farm can be=win"
Exactly. Which shows that this is an item which is good for guaranteeing a win in a situation when you're ahead in terms of farm. Establishing the point that it is a situationally good item.
Meanwhile, in Navi vs RoX.KiS, Xboct is raping face with Vanguard Blademail on Spectre, showing the power of this item build even when playing from behind.
@Relax, unlike you, I admit that I have reflexes and map awareness worse then they should be, and I try to get better at the game and to gain more knowledge about it.
But you are exactly the type of player who'll always say "OMG MY TEAMMATES SUCK BUT I'M PRO".
When I look at a dotabuff profile, I can tell in a minute when that player is better then me(e.g. Zenoth and Wink here) but you are still much worse then me
Lmfao when exactly did I say I was "proud of" anything? And yeah, I play the majority of my games with pubs, not queuing with friends like you, you dumbass, so the ability of the team to make room to farm is highly variable.
And LOL, how is it even possible to have a 35% winrate with AM. Nah, I'm pretty sure you're just trash and not better than anyone with that hero.
@Vasile
Nah, I only say that when I get mexicans like you on my team.
My solo win rate is 60+%, my party win rate is 40+%. I suppose that speaks plenty about the friends I queue with. My solo MMR is 400 higher than my party MMR. Tell me about how my farm or win rate is inflated by playing with friends....
"And LOL, how is it even possible to have a 35% winrate with AM. Nah, I'm pretty sure you're just trash and not better than anyone with that hero."
Because I'm playing with opponents far better than you could ever dream of playing with, maybe? If Dendi has a 50% win rate with Storm in competitions and I have a 70% win rate with Storm does that make me a better Storm player than him?
Your arguments are so horrendously stupid it's quite funny. I find it amusing you want to bother comparing e-peen.
Lmao, except the skill difference isn't that drastic between 4k and 5k. And even if it were, going by the logic, I should be no better than the people I am playing with, so there should be no reason that I would get a higher winrate than you since our competition is proportionally challenging. Unless I am in fact notably better than the people I am playing with, in which case your argument falls apart anyway.
And if Dendi had a 35% wr and 2.0 kdr with AM, and you had my stats, then yes I would say you're better.
My logic is simply that I cannot play AM well enough to sustain a 50% win rate at 5.5k+ MMR. Playing against the opponents I do, I have an average GPM of 571 but it isn't enough. If you put me on a 4k account I will easily get 70 or 80% win rate with AM. The difference in level of play is laughable.
This is an example of a player who can win games with AM consistently at my level. His average GPM is 758. He is a far better AM player than I am.
You are able to sustain your win rate with AM at whatever bracket you are playing at because your 406 GPM is enough to maintain a 50% win rate thanks to how comparatively terrible the level of play is over there.
So my point still stands that I am probably a far better AM player than you could hope to be, simply because the stats are obvious enough. If I can get 570 GPM against equal rated players, I would probably get double that playing in your bracket. And if 406 GPM is enough to maintain a 50% win rate, I would obviously be able to win far more games.
No, I can sustain my winrate because despite the fact that a team's ability to make room for a farm dependent carry at this level is highly variable, I am able to compromise for it.
And what you've basically shown is that even though your teams carry you and allow you to freefarm all early game, you still manage to fail them. This means you would probably do even shittier in 4k MMR.
Logic is just a joke when you don't understand it.
ROFL. Forget it I'm not going to argue with such a deluded person, have fun feeling good about yourself and wondering why you never improve. I have better things to do than prove myself to myself to some idiot, as if there hasn't been enough 5k+ players trying out 4k accounts and stomping with 70+% win rates all the way back up to 5k.
@Zenoth, one of the reasons for the positive winrate with vanguard could be that it is an item that you get when you're ahead in terms of farm, and good farm can be=win
If you look the the overall item builds' winrate, you'll see that stuff like refresher on Axe has a good winrate, guess why?:D
Comparing yourself to me on a hero I've played 14 games with - not to mention that I play with far better players on average - is meaningless. I may be 35% win rate on anti-mage but I'm pretty sure I play it better than a 3k player with 95% win rate on anti-mage - win rate alone doesn't matter.
You have 406 average GPM on a hero that you're so proud of. On one of the strongest late game carries. Do you have an idea how pitiful that is? Even with my "shitty win rate" on Spectre I have nearly 100 more GPM than you on average. 169 games with AM, one of the best farmers in the world and you can't even average 500 GPM - that speaks volumes about your ability to play that hero effectively.
See - this shitty defensive attitude and e-peen comparing instead of admitting your flaws is why you're stuck at whatever shitty bracket you're at.
"that it is an item that you get when you're ahead in terms of farm, and good farm can be=win"
Exactly. Which shows that this is an item which is good for guaranteeing a win in a situation when you're ahead in terms of farm. Establishing the point that it is a situationally good item.
Meanwhile, in Navi vs RoX.KiS, Xboct is raping face with Vanguard Blademail on Spectre, showing the power of this item build even when playing from behind.
@Relax, unlike you, I admit that I have reflexes and map awareness worse then they should be, and I try to get better at the game and to gain more knowledge about it.
But you are exactly the type of player who'll always say "OMG MY TEAMMATES SUCK BUT I'M PRO".
When I look at a dotabuff profile, I can tell in a minute when that player is better then me(e.g. Zenoth and Wink here) but you are still much worse then me
Lmfao when exactly did I say I was "proud of" anything? And yeah, I play the majority of my games with pubs, not queuing with friends like you, you dumbass, so the ability of the team to make room to farm is highly variable.
And LOL, how is it even possible to have a 35% winrate with AM. Nah, I'm pretty sure you're just trash and not better than anyone with that hero.
@Vasile
Nah, I only say that when I get mexicans like you on my team.
My solo win rate is 60+%, my party win rate is 40+%. I suppose that speaks plenty about the friends I queue with. My solo MMR is 400 higher than my party MMR. Tell me about how my farm or win rate is inflated by playing with friends....
"And LOL, how is it even possible to have a 35% winrate with AM. Nah, I'm pretty sure you're just trash and not better than anyone with that hero."
Because I'm playing with opponents far better than you could ever dream of playing with, maybe? If Dendi has a 50% win rate with Storm in competitions and I have a 70% win rate with Storm does that make me a better Storm player than him?
Your arguments are so horrendously stupid it's quite funny. I find it amusing you want to bother comparing e-peen.
Lol I'm from Europe, but ok, so stronk arguments
Lmao, except the skill difference isn't that drastic between 4k and 5k. And even if it were, going by the logic, I should be no better than the people I am playing with, so there should be no reason that I would get a higher winrate than you since our competition is proportionally challenging. Unless I am in fact notably better than the people I am playing with, in which case your argument falls apart anyway.
And if Dendi had a 35% wr and 2.0 kdr with AM, and you had my stats, then yes I would say you're better.
Simple logic just eludes you, sorry.
@Vasile
That's what happens when you present me with a bullshit argument, I hand it right back
My logic is simply that I cannot play AM well enough to sustain a 50% win rate at 5.5k+ MMR. Playing against the opponents I do, I have an average GPM of 571 but it isn't enough. If you put me on a 4k account I will easily get 70 or 80% win rate with AM. The difference in level of play is laughable.
http://dotabuff.com/players/126424991
This is an example of a player who can win games with AM consistently at my level. His average GPM is 758. He is a far better AM player than I am.
You are able to sustain your win rate with AM at whatever bracket you are playing at because your 406 GPM is enough to maintain a 50% win rate thanks to how comparatively terrible the level of play is over there.
So my point still stands that I am probably a far better AM player than you could hope to be, simply because the stats are obvious enough. If I can get 570 GPM against equal rated players, I would probably get double that playing in your bracket. And if 406 GPM is enough to maintain a 50% win rate, I would obviously be able to win far more games.
Your "simple logic" is a joke.
This guy is a joke. People who make threads called "Hi. Hi." are jokes.
Dude, I was...hi when I made that thread, soz
No, I can sustain my winrate because despite the fact that a team's ability to make room for a farm dependent carry at this level is highly variable, I am able to compromise for it.
And what you've basically shown is that even though your teams carry you and allow you to freefarm all early game, you still manage to fail them. This means you would probably do even shittier in 4k MMR.
Logic is just a joke when you don't understand it.
ROFL. Forget it I'm not going to argue with such a deluded person, have fun feeling good about yourself and wondering why you never improve. I have better things to do than prove myself to myself to some idiot, as if there hasn't been enough 5k+ players trying out 4k accounts and stomping with 70+% win rates all the way back up to 5k.
Yeah okay squirt, whatever makes you feel better lmao
Now. I know why 4k mmr players are actually better than 5k mmr players. I have truly learned much today