I think it has actually made the game slightly worse in some respects.
>People have become all the more aggressive because their e-peen is at stake
>Normal games get thrown all the time because people "don't care cause it's not ranked" so what's the point of having them
>I agree with the solo thing, I just started soloing again and sick of having 3 stacks trying to run the game for the other two
I do like ranked games as people seem to try harder, but there is always that one guy (or two) who are determined to not give a shit and troll people. I think that the report system should be worked on and advanced in a way that you can actually limit people from playing ranked if they're too abusive or overly mouthy about games they win or lose.
Example of the three: http://dotabuff.com/matches/644967077
3 terrible greeks go trilane and feed a double kill in the first minute. I suggest that I get the rubick top and the Axe jungle leaving the nyx solo to which they all oblige to after a lot of coercing. Invoker goes exort and just sunstrikes everywhere while farming endlessly and I start roaming like mad with the rubick and nyx and are actually doing well. Then....OH GOD! Axe gets his blink and proceeds to take every single kill with his two friends giggling like children and invoker continuing to farm.
All round not a bad game but this whole "group" attitude of either only protecting their own or trolling you as a group is much worse if there are three of them as opposed to if just one was being a little shit about the game.
i wish MMR was never introduced all i hear now is not "Bro do u even lift" all i hear is " Bro check my mmr u scrub"
And like Havoc said if u play normal pub game people just feed and throw and say "Who cares its not mmr lol quit crying scrub"
>People have become all the more aggressive because their e-peen is at stake
>Normal games get thrown all the time because people "don't care cause it's not ranked" so what's the point of having them
^ Sums it up pretty well i would be much happier without mmr in the game
The 2 things that ruin it for me are account buyers and smurfs. I had a guy in my last game on a smurf (playing wraith king) and while he wasn't terrible he'd clearly been placed too high due to smurfing. We gave him a tri lane, complete free farm, first blood etc and he still put points into vampirism, pushed away his free farm and left it to go and jungle saying the 2 supports should take some farm. Leaving 2 under leveled and 2 under farmed supports against a sniper and abadon. We eventually won the game but he made it a lot harder than it should have been (that and our brood was bad)
http://dotabuff.com/matches/646035358
In all though, I like the system. It works ok and gives you some visual representation of your development. I got bored of playing really casually with friends as the majority of my friends are considerably worse than me (as of writing I'm 4550-4700, most of my friends are in the 3.5k solo range) so ranked keeps things interesting and keeps me trying.
It's just there for you to rage even harder about a loss/brag harder about a win.
It's still the same to me except people are a little more serious about the ranking system. Yet some people still don't know how to handle situations effectively, i.e. sieging a tower push but not waiting for the enemy aegis to expire.
and what Sam said ^
@badger
I'd argue that many of your negatives manifested in the old system too - it's just in different ways.
>People have become all the more aggressive because their e-peen is at stake
That still happened - it just was due to statistics on heroes, win rates, etc. rather than a number that represents skill. At least they have a more meaningful measurement than "55% win rate with 50 games". It also debunked that large, delusional group of players that arrogantly argued how good they were based on dubious statistics (win rates).
>Normal games get thrown all the time because people "don't care cause it's not ranked" so what's the point of having them
The thing is that all games used to have such players. I'd rank it like so in quantity: ranked < old unified system < unranked. So your point is taken that it is worse in unraked games, but it's not like the new system introduced that behavior. In fact, it gives players who do care a mode of play where there are FEWER such instances.
they should do it like in cs:go
in cs:go, there is no "solo" or "party" rating so you could either solo queue or stack with people in cs:go and get the rating anyways
no idea why theres solo and party in dota since its a fucking game based on team work
^because if you stack with low mmr people and just stomp as pudge or whatever high impact hero, you can have a retarded MMR
Yeah, in HON each player had an MMR which encompassed both solo and party ranking. There was also a PSR which is equivalent to unranked.
I really am at qualms with the system we have, but I do like the system HON had where you can see the MMR during the picking phase. Also, the would win or lose less mmr than the person with the lowest mmr. Example would be highest players winning/losing 5 while the lowest players win/lose 20.
I do like ranked because it provides competent environment for when I'm feeling competitive.
What I hate is how the MMR is actually implemented. After calibration phase, it's nothing but a winrate indicator. It's either +25 or -25 every time. What you did during the game doesn't count for anything, only the final outcome does. I think it could be implemented better, but I do understand how difficult it would be to program the game to actually judge which plays were good and which were bad (since it's very subjective). Maybe someday...
mmr just makes you crazy.Its like gambling.when you lose you play more to regain your loss and when you win you also play more because you want more.I dont play unranked because i play dota to have some fun and chill.It is really annoying when a dude spams well played when you lose your lane or smtng like that.Most people like me remains in unranked and im happy about it.
i agree with hotshot888 .. when your stuck in your number range it is hard to progress in solo and the team is very random as to their ability. i'd hate to be the high mmr in the team as i am a support player. the highest mmr should be to a carry type player as they have more influence on the game than me.
like hotshot888 said it doesn't take into account what positives you have done in the game.
I watch a friend with a high starting solo mmr play and he seems to be matched with more quality players. it is hard to move up or down quickly because if games are meant to be "matched" with a 50/50 chance then after 100 games you should end up pretty much where you were! (like how deniz says above about gambling) throw into the mix some TBD guys (i don't know if higher mmr's get TBD players) but that is a huge unknown quantity as well.
i like the concept of ranked. i only play ranked. i do like the challenge to improve my score. but on solo it is hard to progress with so many uncontrollable factors. majority of my games are enjoyable and i have met some great people to play with.
i would like to see a "review period" where you get a chance to resit your starting exam. maybe now from experience i might be higher than my current mmr or maybe i could be lower.. but i would love a chance to try from zero again (without having to smurf).
or if you can challenge higher mmr players and if you win you get that position. something to shake things up so you don't feel you are stuck in your current lot and subject only to fate.
I don't like the way party mmr is calculated. If a 5k players stack with a 2k player during calibration games, they will both get 3500 party mmr. Then, whenever the 5k mmr player stacks, his team has 1500 mmr advantage. When the 2k player stacks, his team has 1500 mmr disadvantage. It sucks.
Just get rid of party mmr.
MMR is good, gives u a objective value you can refer to when trying to improve or (in most cases such as this forum) show off epee arguably since nobody know who you are anyways noone will ever know who this epeen belongs to thus making enlargment of ur epeen futile. If I have not said this word enough I will one more time. epeen.
@jagged
try to get out from your comfort zone bro, if you stick as support role forever the chance to climb higher mmr is hard. And you will get another insight if you playing another role.
@6_din
yeah, the thing is so many bad experience i already met with people who stack and playing solo ranked. So maybe, valve wise enough to just make a rule no stack allowed in solo ranked matchmaking.
They just need different gamemodes and spectrums at the main menu. Just having ranked and normal is still diluted. You have people playing rank that are super casual and just want to fuck around, when I believe thats for normal matchmaking. So there should be practice, progressive, casual, and competitive queue systems so people can choose.
Also the visible rating system is a completely bad idea cause Dota 2 is a f2p. F2p should never have things in it that may be deemed valuable and create a market. It makes it way to easy to distribute and this game is super popular.
Even if people want to, they should of had a custom game server lobby system so you can play with randoms like you did in DOTA. This may happen in the future though.
I feel there is no real place to practice heroes. If you play in ranked people will complain, and if you play in normal it may affect your winrate. Not everyone wants to make a smurf just to practice new heroes, why not a hero practice matchmaking? Where stats arent recorded.
But Id like to even see people create lobbies using the takeover Function *Na'vi Vs Alliance Game 5 Ti3 Last Teamfight" Join that shit and try it out.
MMR is fine, I'm always matched with people really close to my rating. I understand that some games get super lopsided cus of dumb picks and cus dota is a snowballing game, most games end lopsided.
Only thing I wish for ranked was they would allow random draft. I love that mode. You generally get people paying a little more attention to the picks yet don't have issues like you do with captains where one person gets all the blame for a draft and you can pick heroes no one knows how to play. I would also like to see single draft in ranked but I understand why many people hate it, can be very unfair if you get a bad choice of heroes.
And I would like them to get rid of randoming in all pick after 30 seconds and if you don't pick by the time the pick time expires the game ends with no stats recorded and the players who didn't pick have a 30 minute cooldown until they can queue again. This shit is ridiculous how people still wait forever to pick, still last pick random retarded heroes and it wouldn't be fair to the whole team to just take more of their gold.
MMR is alright, I dont really mind. I do not think that unranked games were affected much.
Suggestion:
Solo games only pls
Incorporate bans into all pick in some way
MMR is fine I just dont care for all pick. I think they should trade out all pick with random draft would solve a lot of this, or at least add in random draft...
Captains mode / draft just dont work in pubs when you do not know enough about your team or opponents. They just need to take heroes that are banned from captains mode and ban them for AP ranked
The two biggest problems with ap ranked is random pickers who don't know how to play their hero and refuse to repick, or random something after 3 or 4 picks we absolutely don't need and refuse to repick, and the super, super late pickers. Like no one picks til 10 seconds left cus everyone thinks they are dota masters and can counter pick anything. Then everyone freaks out and makes bad picks. Or worse you have two guys on each team who haven't picked 30 seconds after time expired. Like they will counter each other with last pick.
Just enforce the pick times better and make randoming more strict.
I play cd when I get tired of people playing the same heroes in ap. Last patch used it go get away from playing against ember phoenix players every game.
cm is just redic. I don't really want to wait 30 minutes to play a game which most of the time ends in 20 minutes.
Ember and phoenix are very strong in pubs so of course they'll be top picks in draft. Any really strong hero who is picked often in ap is usually banned or picked in cd, like invoker, lich, mirana. Cd is better at picking supports, usually you have 1 hard carry and 1 or 2 semis, but the picks aren't really unique or anything. Usually they're even less so cus no one wants to play visage or meepo or whomever is kinda hard.
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As long as I remember, already 5 months past since valve introduce the mmr system.
So the question is, is it making the pub scene better or worse?
And what suggestion do you want to improve this current mmr system?
For me, just two.
1. Bring solo ranked queue (no stack allowed to join, so 10 random players who barely know each other).
2. Hero limit on allpick (cannot using same hero in 3-4 in a row) so we can see variety of heroes in allpick ranked and minimum abusing current hero in meta.
feel free to share your thought !