Dota isnt about playing 3k games of one hero and sucking at it. Nobody cares if you know how to fucking use astral properly or not. Fact is, your game sense sucks and facts remain facts even after 5k games? ROFL. Go see a psychiatrist you need help badly.
people are dumb for calling him bad because he has 50% after 3k games and he's fucking delusional because he thinks qoiqva and black are worse on od than him
you should all be friends!
Smaug is right of course. If he converted a mere 50 of his losses into wins, he'd have what would appear to be an underwhelming win-rate of 51.5%. However, he'd also be the number 1 ranked player in the world (more proof DB posters are innumerate).
Simply looking at your stats, the only reason you are 4th is because you played the hero over 3000 times.
When the algorithm is improved your ranking will drop. Someone with identical stats to you but only 500 OD games probably wouldn't even be on the top 100
"If the excessive insulting in this thread doesn't stop I might consider contacting a lawyer and make it stop."
^the hero leaderboards are bases on stats though. Not "playing good in a 5k game"
He ends up being ridiculed due to the content of his posts more than the way he plays OD and Phoenix. Threatening "legal action" because people are insulting him on a web forum is a pretty good example
Here's the thing and this effects me as well. I came across one of your stacking buddies in what I class as an extremely low tier game http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/950420563 with 2x 3K's and 2x 2K's. I am guessing he is mid 3k or lower but he may have been the higher rated of the bunch.
What effects your hero is what effects my axe, stacking with lower skilled gamers. It blows hard because as far as I know they can get neither MMR or accurately get the bracket unless they're guessing but somehow my feeling is it's putting you lower because of some of the people you stack/play OD with, and it doesn't consider those games difficult.
For example, actually lost points for winning a game with Axe in High Skill.
"Black clearly has no idea how to play OD because he didnt buy the same item every game or even put boots in same inventory slot" therefore im so much better than him. i dont even know how you could play OD for 3k games let alone not have an increased WR after your first 100 or so. But yeah keep going on about how youre better than pros pls, talk to ya when algorithms are changed.
i actually really like this one for some reason
the picture is kinda underwhelming but im scared to fucking look for pictures because i dont want to get spoiled
1) Black having different builds every time he plays OD does not mean he does not know how to play the hero. There is not ONE correct build for a hero - item builds are completely situational / down to preference, and if you build the same way every game that is more of a negative thing than a positive one. Not to mention that pros play pubs for fun - they are competitive as their day job.
2) Out of Black's last 10 games as OD (both wins and loses), he has had the highest kill participation % of his team 7 out of 10 times, and had the least kill participation % 1 out of 10 times. Source: http://www.dotamax.com/player/match/21289303/?hero=76 (click last 10 games).
3) You are correct that a person playing with friends has a higher chance of winning than a person playing solo. The thing is there's not much you can do about that. You could maybe have "Party Rankings" and "Solo Rankings". However person A playing with his friends has the same chance of winning as person B with his friends. DoTA is a team game. If you play with friends, you are going to be against other players who are playing with their friends. If you win 60% of your party games that means that you and your friends are good players and work better together than the other parties you play against. It's stupid to say that "Only way to get > 50% winrate is to play with friends". I know people who ONLY play dota in a party and they have 48% winrate - this is because they are worse than the other parties they play against.
4) Anything that you know about OD Black will also know how to do. You can't say nobody can learn anything from watching Black as OD, and it's a ridiculous claim that he doesn't know how to play the hero. He's payed to play the fucking game; it's his job to understand everything that every hero can do and be able to execute / react with that knowledge. Yes it won't be his best hero, but it's completely delusional to start at the conclusion that you are better than him because you have more games than him on Dotabuff.
you havent seen him play the hero once what the fucks your issue
arguing based on the match data from dotabuff, good fucking job
and nobody's saying blacks the best od in the world but saying that the guy currently struggling at 4.6k mmr is better is so fucking pathetic even more so when his argument is that his items aren't in the same spot in the match ending screen
"Check out black's history. No constant item decisions/placement, meaning that he has actually no clue what items to buy on the hero and just wildly guesses (as you can see he doesn't have a preferred inventory slot for either item, which means that he doesn't have experience). Lots of last hits, low amount of teamfight participation costing him most of his games (as OD is a better midgamer than lategamer), from his last 5 ranked matches with him, he lost 4."
Its funny how you can see people who are over 4-5k and still dont understand the basics of dota it really goes to show that mmr is just a number and not skill and you can be noob while still having 5k.
Lmao. is Lifedancer Smuag or smth? sucking his own dick and shit.
I for one can tell you that for most of those games if you didn't buy retarded items, you could have won 75% of them if you executed correctly. Rofl. I'm pretty sure people that gets you as teammate are sadfucks.
It would be best to find a way to exclude matches from queueing as a party and focus on the solo queue matches, of course if you are able to see that information.
Yes, it would be really good if dotabuff could help improve the web api by asking Valve to provide information about stacking as it is really relevant.
Rofl this smaug guy is autistic as fuck.
TL;DR
Dota isnt about playing 3k games of one hero and sucking at it. Nobody cares if you know how to fucking use astral properly or not. Fact is, your game sense sucks and facts remain facts even after 5k games? ROFL. Go see a psychiatrist you need help badly.
people are dumb for calling him bad because he has 50% after 3k games and he's fucking delusional because he thinks qoiqva and black are worse on od than him
you should all be friends!
If the excessive insulting in this thread doesn't stop I might consider contacting a lawyer and make it stop.
Smaug is right of course. If he converted a mere 50 of his losses into wins, he'd have what would appear to be an underwhelming win-rate of 51.5%. However, he'd also be the number 1 ranked player in the world (more proof DB posters are innumerate).
Smaug, can you teach me how to play OD so I have a 43% winrate in ranked this month like you do.
OD win rate this month is 43.21% ^I can tell you're really smart )
In return I can teach you how to play QoP.
Simply looking at your stats, the only reason you are 4th is because you played the hero over 3000 times.
When the algorithm is improved your ranking will drop. Someone with identical stats to you but only 500 OD games probably wouldn't even be on the top 100
"If the excessive insulting in this thread doesn't stop I might consider contacting a lawyer and make it stop."
I really hope you are joking....
Ok, i think @Smaug has taken enough shit for nothing and no one is rectifying it so i will!
Smaug is a high 4k player and even been 5k if im right
He's played twice with me
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/324618805
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/753103315
and that last one he beat me mid, but thats because of all the help he recieved and the difference in team skill not because he's better than me :)
So yaeh pls more respect cause the guy is good
i was 5k in that drow game, he so i was playing well and im pretty sure he was 5k or just short of it
^the hero leaderboards are bases on stats though. Not "playing good in a 5k game"
He ends up being ridiculed due to the content of his posts more than the way he plays OD and Phoenix. Threatening "legal action" because people are insulting him on a web forum is a pretty good example
they are calling him 3k over and over and ooooover. Srsly haven't noticed that? Or are you just trolling me stating the obviosu?
His post content is sound - the same cannot be said for most other posters here...
Nobody has ridiculed his lawyer comment yet...
I just ignore the meaningless trolls personally.
Regardless, looks like smaugs ranking will go down and not up.
its ok! the point is about people saying he shouldnt be in the leaderboards claiming he's 3k srsly dude stop it
Here's the thing and this effects me as well. I came across one of your stacking buddies in what I class as an extremely low tier game http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/950420563 with 2x 3K's and 2x 2K's. I am guessing he is mid 3k or lower but he may have been the higher rated of the bunch.
What effects your hero is what effects my axe, stacking with lower skilled gamers. It blows hard because as far as I know they can get neither MMR or accurately get the bracket unless they're guessing but somehow my feeling is it's putting you lower because of some of the people you stack/play OD with, and it doesn't consider those games difficult.
For example, actually lost points for winning a game with Axe in High Skill.
wow sou ka, couldnt u pick chelsea or someone better lolz
this actually made my night.
"Black clearly has no idea how to play OD because he didnt buy the same item every game or even put boots in same inventory slot" therefore im so much better than him. i dont even know how you could play OD for 3k games let alone not have an increased WR after your first 100 or so. But yeah keep going on about how youre better than pros pls, talk to ya when algorithms are changed.
not sure if troll or stupid ^
i actually really like this one for some reason
the picture is kinda underwhelming but im scared to fucking look for pictures because i dont want to get spoiled
1) Black having different builds every time he plays OD does not mean he does not know how to play the hero. There is not ONE correct build for a hero - item builds are completely situational / down to preference, and if you build the same way every game that is more of a negative thing than a positive one. Not to mention that pros play pubs for fun - they are competitive as their day job.
2) Out of Black's last 10 games as OD (both wins and loses), he has had the highest kill participation % of his team 7 out of 10 times, and had the least kill participation % 1 out of 10 times. Source: http://www.dotamax.com/player/match/21289303/?hero=76 (click last 10 games).
3) You are correct that a person playing with friends has a higher chance of winning than a person playing solo. The thing is there's not much you can do about that. You could maybe have "Party Rankings" and "Solo Rankings". However person A playing with his friends has the same chance of winning as person B with his friends. DoTA is a team game. If you play with friends, you are going to be against other players who are playing with their friends. If you win 60% of your party games that means that you and your friends are good players and work better together than the other parties you play against. It's stupid to say that "Only way to get > 50% winrate is to play with friends". I know people who ONLY play dota in a party and they have 48% winrate - this is because they are worse than the other parties they play against.
4) Anything that you know about OD Black will also know how to do. You can't say nobody can learn anything from watching Black as OD, and it's a ridiculous claim that he doesn't know how to play the hero. He's payed to play the fucking game; it's his job to understand everything that every hero can do and be able to execute / react with that knowledge. Yes it won't be his best hero, but it's completely delusional to start at the conclusion that you are better than him because you have more games than him on Dotabuff.
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/06/06555513ccc3eb23c9e351c81f741408e5052355_full.jpg
this is pretty good i tihnk
Ah.... since there are many that rly don't understand anything (included the new guy @dLIGHT) i'll say it bluntly!
BLACK SUCKS AT OD, HE IS A BAD OD and if you people want to learn how to play OD EFFECTIVELY you would NOT CHOOSE HIM.
I am not going to go out of my way to explain that since enough has been said to understand and realize this is so, by @Smaug.
you havent seen him play the hero once what the fucks your issue
arguing based on the match data from dotabuff, good fucking job
and nobody's saying blacks the best od in the world but saying that the guy currently struggling at 4.6k mmr is better is so fucking pathetic even more so when his argument is that his items aren't in the same spot in the match ending screen
he is better and i've seen black play od and i have seen smaug too. On OD Smaug > Black
"Check out black's history. No constant item decisions/placement, meaning that he has actually no clue what items to buy on the hero and just wildly guesses (as you can see he doesn't have a preferred inventory slot for either item, which means that he doesn't have experience). Lots of last hits, low amount of teamfight participation costing him most of his games (as OD is a better midgamer than lategamer), from his last 5 ranked matches with him, he lost 4."
Its funny how you can see people who are over 4-5k and still dont understand the basics of dota it really goes to show that mmr is just a number and not skill and you can be noob while still having 5k.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
Lmao. is Lifedancer Smuag or smth? sucking his own dick and shit.
I for one can tell you that for most of those games if you didn't buy retarded items, you could have won 75% of them if you executed correctly. Rofl. I'm pretty sure people that gets you as teammate are sadfucks.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/952135179 lmao. Where the fuck's your force staff? Where the fuck's your BKB? I would have won that game EASILY if i were you.
Oh yes, i'm actually convinced that smaug is genuinely autistic and using multiple smurfs to lick his nipples ROFL.
It would be best to find a way to exclude matches from queueing as a party and focus on the solo queue matches, of course if you are able to see that information.
i would like to be in top 100 so i can show off my e-penis here guys...
If all rankings were based only on solo games, who is better, someone who wins 50% games at 5k mmr, or someone who wins 50% games at 6k mmr?
If dotabuff finds a way to filter solo games, I'm sure these "90% winrate pros" will be much fewer.
Yes, it would be really good if dotabuff could help improve the web api by asking Valve to provide information about stacking as it is really relevant.