As long as echo is an item melee wont want sny
And ranged dont want sny cuz it isnt enough value for them
should Jugg get one now or no because he builds into basher? still manta for jugg most games? What are the best s&y heroes in the game i feel echo sabre sort of ruined this item for some heroes.
Was excited about this, played nevermore last night and fed to a mid venge =( venge gets so tanky without tanky items..
Power treads and Dragon Lance are tanky items - especially for the early-mid game.
Jugg needs Manta + other AS items, not S/Y.
I'd say it is situational for Lifestealer (if you can get it early enough - esp. for the bonus Yasha move speed). I've seen some decent Gyrocopters get it (again, early). Dunno who else it is great on.
only seems reasonably good on slark or something
maybe jug sven ck
but in general its just those melee heroes that need ms and slow to kill ppl
i guess sf too coz of the good ms and slow makes him inescapable and he can ez run from anybody
echo sabre is pretty much just for the mana regen, if you have cm in team its probably not nearly as useful.
Sny is good if u want to kite people and still get some catching potential, I can think of a few situations when ill go sny on slark instead of skadi.
^That's even older before I really comeback and play Dota 2 I never been to that Meta xD
Better item now but not that amazing for sure
still shit cause there's manta and echo sabre, manta makes sny bonus movement a waste of money, the item is so expensive for what it gives, echo is better for dps and skadi is better for stats and slow
like srsly how the fuck are you 3k if you think echo gives dps
its only good for heroes who must kill heroes in <4 seconds and need to do it in the early-mid game (as in, slark, lifestealer, sven)
SNY is must-have on troll
I've also tried it on venge and it seems pretty good
You buy it on razor too but who tf plays dat hero
Manta is far better on tiny. His ult +dmg is base dmg so his illusions get it making manta an amazing item on him.
It's not really good enough to change any builds, just buff existing builders like troll and gyro and dk.
Dk doesnt go sny, and neither does gyro.
Not a single hero goes sny except troll.
Dk gets armlet blink and bkb and stuff like that
Gyro gets aghs maelstrom
Neither shud buy sny
SnY is good for Razor and Viper probably, you pair it with Hpike and Skadi plus Satanic and BKB maybe its gonna work, also for Troll and Carry VS.
Yeah they're like the only two ranged heroes I would even consider it on. Maybe Ta as well.
Dk can go s&y no problem, he's not building echo like most melee heroes cus he's half ranged. It would be good on ck but manta is better.
That's pretty much the issue, almost every hero it's good on manta is better or echo sabre is better and it's overkill to have both.
When silver edge used to have a sange i always build sny on luna or vs then disassemble it to make silver edge and manta
but maybe they make it +20 str & agi instead of +16 (hurricane pike got +20 agi and +15 str while dragon lance gives +12 agi and str)
All ranged gets Pike now unless MS is really nice for them
The heroes I played and bought SnY on:
BS, Troll, CK, Razor
That's all really
I would play Razor if I still played. But not with an SnY or anything; only Shiva's and Refresher for me. He has so little impact without a slightly eccentric build like that.
SnY could be good if it had an active effect that gave you a similar mini-stun effect to MKB on like a 30 second cool down for 3-4 seconds. Just something to bring it back into man fighting, over all, not just running people down with decent strength and agility stats on very specific heroes. Which Skadi does better even in that for most.
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