i kind of dont want to get a slardar or BH. but at the same time most peopel in my bracket dont know how to roam with BH and slardar is unheard of, so maybe he is first pick material
Slardar, clock and sandking are all offlaners I thought? More like position 3.
Earthshaker is quite solid, fits most lineups. Ogre I still think is fine. Nyx maybe has counters but he's so damn strong.
First pick Riki is fine. Forces enemy sups to throw money at detection all game, as long as your team doesn't pick other invis heroes you are fine.
Riki is pretty good in pubs both carry and semi support
Sky is good first pick if you think your team is smart enough to pick stuns for your ult. Otherwise it's ok but not that great
Riki, sky, Sven, Nightstalkers , wk, wr. Don't forget SB the king of position 4.
Ns is amazing if you have obvious targets you can kill in the first night, and snowball your team from there.
Ns is good if you have obvious targets you can threaten but maybe not kill, and secure map presence.
Ns is okay if you don't have targets ns is good against, but can still accomplish other objectives on the map.
Always pick ns.
Slardar, clock and sandking are all offlaners I thought? More like position 3.
They can fit both 3 and 4, usually with boots level 1 for the latter. Earth Spirit used to be a safe 4 pick when you're confused as to what you need, but is weak now with the nerfs and doesn't do well against other 4s who rotate on your initiation. Not all the heroes mentioned above are strong in most scenarios, especially when they don't have a reliable stun. The best counter that comes to mind is Weaver. Doesn't care about most 4s.
Also, curious why MK is still being played as 4 in high MMRs (5k+) when he's clearly better as a core. Had a disastrous game playing roaming MK recently and didn't see any gank potential. Or maybe I just suck.
if you have watched any pro dota this year you know that slardar isnt played at all in the offlane but roaming.
GH and sonneiko are playing it a lot i think
theres just no reason to play him offlane. farm wasted.
his escape ability makes you take additional damage.
and all he needs to work is tranquils, wand and blink
Oh and someone already mentioned but Kunkka is underrated as pos 4. He literally doesn't need any items and still useful all game.
Like you could throw as kunkka for 20 mins sending couriers mid and still win if you decide it's time to start trying.
ugh I hate position 4 kunkkas in pubs they always suck, not cus the hero is bad but cus people suck at playing it. Realistically combo'd with a strong carry it's like guaranteed kills in lane with x marks the spot.
for me personally i go for ns, kunkka, riki
however sb is the king of roaming, and u can make other heroes work as well
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Mostly i first pick my hero in ranked games, since i dont want to loose gold. and i can inform my teammates that i will be roaming, giving 2 tangos to mid and will help the support with wards.
which usually leads to a good atmosphere and someoen actually picking a lane supp.
so far the only real first pick material for me is spirit breaker.
some heros that float in my mind to first pick:
-slardar (kinda shit though if allies pick all magic damage)
-clockwerk
-pudge
-sand king
-night stalker
correct me if im wrong/you have more heros to first pick.
i especially like the ones that are played in the offlane in most pub games. some people might pick their carry with the thought of having to lane against an sk/clock.
heros i like but i think are bad first pick material:
-riki
-skywrath
-silencer (3k reatard will pick jungle LC and tell me to go lanesupp)
-naga
other topic but is ogre magi still decent roaming?