General Discussion

General DiscussionBehavior Score use Confirmed again

Behavior Score use Confirmed again in General Discussion
DC.MASON

    sorry cookie just looked at the console and outsmarted it again so now he sees all the secret mechanisms of behavior score and matchmaking

    better luck next time guys

    Mlada i Luda

      so jacked your the one who cried to admins for deleting my post , cause you got completely exposed how retard you are. lol. what a desperate move son ncncnc.

      Mlada i Luda

        diox 2 months ago
        Omg this is Gold to see how mafioso thinks. It's truly wonderful the mind of the delusional. He's actually happy and thinks this supports his theory which he is 100% sure of and proved through his experience. AYYFukkin lmao!
        I don't know how one guy can struT in front of an entire forum making an ass of himself with his very obvious Low intelligence strings of thought and act like he's right. What the fuk lol

        Cookie

          when a laboratory publishes a paper, they have to disclose the research method so that it can be peer reviewed and recreated.

          Since you provided none, your research is also a guess like the rest of us 3 months ago.

          Kotato

            mafioso is doing what he is best at, and that is not playing dota obviously

            Mlada i Luda

              [Brutal. Savage. Rekt. 9 hours ago
              when a laboratory publishes a paper, they have to disclose the research method so that it can be peer reviewed and recreated.
              Since you provided none, your research is also a guess like the rest of us 3 months ago.]

              aahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahahahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahhahhahahhahahhahahhaha

              Mlada i Luda

                🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩 3 months ago
                there's no such thing as behavior score/hidden pool giving you bad teammates, nor was it ever demonstrated nor proven.
                it's just that idiots like these up here need any excuse, because dunning kruger hits hard.
                The only thing it does is simply tell you how close you are to getting low prio due to reports/abandons.
                There wouldn't be low priority if there was a hidden pool, nor has any evidence that BS is anything other than the score of how close you are to getting LP

                Mlada i Luda

                  it's just that idiots like these up here need any excuse, because dunning kruger hits hard.

                  it's just that idiots like these up here need any excuse, because dunning kruger hits hard.

                  it's just that idiots like these up here need any excuse, because dunning kruger hits hard.

                  the irony though lol. 3 days without sleep trying to find some childish excuse only to not admit that was wrong , cant expect else from some kids with no balls tho XD

                  Fuka suginai o nīchan

                    Dota2 is 50% luck and 50% skill.

                    Mlada i Luda

                      🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩 3 months ago
                      feel free to give any verifiable proof of your claims.

                      - Adjusted the weight given to behavior metrics to be more focused on a very small percentage of players that were the most offensive players, rather than the general population.
                      - Adjusted matchmaking for new players to be more sensitive to the number of games played rather than behavior. Players that are detected as smurfs however are treated primarily on their skill and less so on their game count history.
                      - Improved the behavior scoring system and recalibrated existing behavior score values.
                      - Improved detection of exploiters, bots, account sellers and in-game feeding. Matchmaking bans are being issued against these types of players.

                      so here are the proves. what were you going to talk about in case there were proofes ??

                      Coroner

                        According to mafioso everything under 6k behaviour score is unplayable hehehehehe....https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3481448417

                        Coroner

                          You know when you are at 7k its sometimes good, really depends on the player. At 8k is good hehehehe

                          words of wisdom from mafioso. And btw, thats all based on his research heheheh

                          Mlada i Luda

                            im stunned by your wizdom coroner , honestly there is nothing for me to say XD

                            sezar

                              i had 9.5k behaviour score and its saying : normal.

                              Bungmangler

                                Seems like Normal is probably some range of like 8k-10k BS

                                once you get lower, you start getting grades

                                Mlada i Luda

                                  yeah thats how it looks , from what we know so far.

                                  Mlada i Luda

                                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩 3 months ago
                                    there's no such thing as behavior score/hidden pool giving you bad teammates, nor was it ever demonstrated nor proven.
                                    it's just that idiots like these up here need any excuse, because dunning kruger hits hard.
                                    The only thing it does is simply tell you how close you are to getting low prio due to reports/abandons.
                                    There wouldn't be low priority if there was a hidden pool, nor has any evidence that BS is anything other than the score of how close you are to getting LP

                                    Coroner

                                      I got D+. Had 5300 behaviour before the patch. 0 difference noticed.

                                      Coroner

                                        I mean, hes right though. Only imbeciles can blame behaviouir score rating for lossing games. Its pretty much you get what you give. If you act like a retard in your games you will play with the retards. Thats it.

                                        Mlada i Luda

                                          🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩 3 months ago
                                          there's no such thing as behavior score/hidden pool giving you bad teammates, nor was it ever demonstrated nor proven.

                                          Coroner 9 hours ago
                                          I mean, hes right though. Only imbeciles can blame behaviouir score rating for lossing games. Its pretty much you get what you give. If you act like a retard in your games you will play with the retards. Thats it.

                                          nice to see that you understand each other. and are on the same page !!!!!! or aren't you ?!!!! lul

                                          🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                            i can't read this stupidity from mafioso anymore, i said 2-3 months ago not today

                                            god damn you're autistic

                                            you're like a little baby begging for mother's attention.

                                            Este comentario fue editado
                                            Mlada i Luda

                                              🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩 3 months ago
                                              there's no such thing as behavior score/hidden pool giving you bad teammates, nor was it ever demonstrated nor proven.
                                              it's just that idiots like these up here need any excuse, because dunning kruger hits hard.
                                              The only thing it does is simply tell you how close you are to getting low prio due to reports/abandons.
                                              There wouldn't be low priority if there was a hidden pool, nor has any evidence that BS is anything other than the score of how close you are to getting LP

                                              🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩 3 months ago
                                              feel free to give any verifiable proof of your claims.

                                              🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                                that's the only verifiable thing that was available, other than a 3 year old post not even mentioning behavior score but a shadowpool for bots. My statement was a guess like yours, you are simply not right, otherwise there would be nothing stopping you from revealing your testing methods for re-creation.

                                                Anyways, i'd love to argue with you but i'd like to keep my brain cells in tact, adios.

                                                Este comentario fue editado
                                                Mlada i Luda

                                                  diox 2 months ago
                                                  Omg this is Gold to see how mafioso thinks. It's truly wonderful the mind of the delusional. He's actually happy and thinks this supports his theory which he is 100% sure of and proved through his experience. AYYFukkin lmao!
                                                  I don't know how one guy can struT in front of an entire forum making an ass of himself with his very obvious Low intelligence strings of thought and act like he's right. What the fuk lol

                                                  Mlada i Luda

                                                    "otherwise there would be nothing stopping you from revealing your testing methods for re-creation."

                                                    the sad part is that iactually know what stops you to see the reality , and to face it instead of making yourself clowny in the eyes of entire forum , but i feel sad that i cant do nothing about it, to help you somehow actually . it jsut dunning kruger related.

                                                    the answer you are asking igave it many times to you , but to blind to see, cause of your " premade inserted idea of yours " (there's no such thing as behavior score/hidden pool giving you bad teammates, nor was it ever demonstrated nor proven.
                                                    it's just that idiots like these up here need any excuse, because dunning kruger hits hard. )

                                                    i though you understood already the galileo and religion comparision i made months ago, andi though you would realised , when those things that are happening now , ipredicted months ago.

                                                    honestly stop acting like a smart trying to give some "smart ass " advices to kids heree, and take a look about yourself again, from a cooler perspective, im rly afraid that wahts you bothered you most " duning kruger delusinal kids " its what you suffering from it by yourself.
                                                    honestly those are my last words of mine for you , im sry if it did not helped.
                                                    if it does you will thank me later . adios.

                                                    Kotato

                                                      how old is this mafiaoso guy anyway?

                                                      Mlada i Luda

                                                        old enough to realise that i am 1 of the 2 most "luckiest" persons in the history of humanity

                                                        1) galileo galieli. making a "lucky guess" about earth being round, ended being proove right some years later. after he died ,cause he was " burned " to death from "religion" at the time, cause what he said , was wrong cause from theyr point of view , his arguments were not valid.

                                                        2) MAFIOSO making a "lucky guess" about bs affecting matchmaking system in dota 2. ended prooved right 3 months later from valve.
                                                        luckily for him he did not died but lived long enough to see the " religion " that countered him " burning" from inside cause of the hate that being wrong XD.

                                                        sezar

                                                          well i dont care cookie's posts while he claim that he was 1k.

                                                          Kotato

                                                            1) gallileo was not burnt down, his guess wwas not about the earth being round and hsi theory was based on empirical evidence

                                                            2) mafioso made a lucky guess based on his poor performance in game, died and became "Bart Bot", there was not religion involved

                                                            Please fact check next time.

                                                            Coroner

                                                              No moron. You are not Galileo, you are retarded version of Don Quijote.

                                                              AllMutedDontFeedWeWin

                                                                Amazing how retarded dunning kruger children who've been whining about bs for ages now suddenly think that valve even stating itself that matchmaking was changed to include behavior score NOW (which also means it never existed or had any effect before that update) makes them right about all the whining they did prior to the update occurring/existing.

                                                                Yes, NOW there's a new system in place and yes everyone should be testing this new metric to see how it actually works and affects matchmaking. That also means NOTHING prior to the first "matchmaking update" we got 2-3 months ago about behavior score is correct. That update made things so bs mattered. Unquestionably if you're not retarded at english, it clearly also states that it did not exist and therefore had no effect before that.

                                                                Now, those that stated after Valve did their matchmaking update that bs still didn't exist or matter? They are the incorrect ones. Any posts denying bs affecting you after 2-3 months ago first matchmaking update is in denial because valve said so twice now. Its something we need to figure out how it works.

                                                                Mlada i Luda

                                                                  i did not understan very well whats your point? but bs existed always , and was there for a reason, which was for matchmaking metrics, it was not somethin obvius so mostly of players were not aware of it. but it was always there and was a factor in matchamking same as mmr is . https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Matchmaking#Behavior_Score. if iuderstand you right? than your one of those retarded included in cuki's " religion" and duning kruger affect the way you read and see things , cause you need to be right , ifeel sry if thats the case.

                                                                  valve new patch doesnt say that matchmaking includes bs " now" , but it says that they made some changes in metric matchmaking about behaviors score. this way cofirming indiriectly that bs was always a matchmaking factor. btw even cuki and his " religion of retards" have understand that , lol. they jsut cant admit and swallow that pride of them , to admit that i was right and they were wrong about it, and make some childish excuse like " we were both wrong " lul. and im the luckiest guy on earth after galieo galieli making suck a lucky " guess" about bs lol.

                                                                  wake up kids , honestly i dont see anyone else but cuki's " duning kruger religion" , that have not realised and dont agre that bs is and was a factor in matchmaking, i mean is officialy lol. why so hard to understand ( admit ), whats the problem rly ? its so confusing!!!!!

                                                                  Coroner

                                                                    So, according to you, how big of a factor and how detrimental is behaviour score to one average dota game?

                                                                    Friendly player

                                                                      Well i sometimes get a loosing streak because of my unfortunate teammates, but it never lasts for more than 10 games, so i think people who say my team is shit all the time are shit themselves, if you can't hold your anger, simply don't play this game anymore, your clearly not enjoying it. Look at this game https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3484739221 In the start our mk was dcing (internet issues) but we all stayed positive and kept on playing like we did, and because of that we won the game. But how do you think what would happen if we all started flaming each other and start feeding? We would've probably lost it. So it doesn't matter what happens, don't be negative, be positive. But seriously if you don't like this game and your team why the fuck are you still playing this game?

                                                                      Coroner

                                                                        Well thats my fucking point. If you have low bs, stop writing shit, stop being toxic and play normally. 1 clean conduct summary can give you improvment of thousand behaviour score.

                                                                        Anomaluna

                                                                          Can't be bothered to engage in this endless debate. However, curious to know whether the actual score is now invisible to all. Checked mine a few hours ago and all it says is "Normal". Any idea what that means?

                                                                          Mlada i Luda

                                                                            "Coroner 10 hours ago
                                                                            Well thats my fucking point. If you have low bs, stop writing shit, stop being toxic and play normally. 1 clean conduct summary can give you improvment of thousand behaviour score."

                                                                            you see , is not that hard to put a minof common sense, to comme with a normal statement that makes sense actually.

                                                                            this was my point all the time , this is what im trying to explain, is not that complicated after all, i honestly am rly confused about your agresive reaction about it. whats the problem to admit that bs have an imact on matchmaking, and is something that is up to you,but at first place you need to realise and admit that it exist and its a factor, so you can work on it and find what makes you being in that spot, that is so bad and frustrating for you, so you can improve at that part.

                                                                            but why to deny it existence, only cause you were not aware of it?
                                                                            why you should be agresive and insult others like this (there's no such thing as behavior score/hidden pool giving you bad teammates, nor was it ever demonstrated nor proven.
                                                                            it's just that idiots like these up here need any excuse, because dunning kruger hits hard. ) about something that you also admit that it was jsut a guess from you partr, it doesnt makes sense at all.

                                                                            i know is it human nature, after they make a mistake, to make it even worst after they realised they were wrong, but they self-defender mekanisem doesnt allow them to get back and force them to make nonsense arguments jsut to defend theyr premade mistake. but thats something that usually happen at momment , if you dont reflect even days after it than,honestly that usually means your a person with big personality problems.

                                                                            Mlada i Luda

                                                                              @Anomalina, we dont know that yet, we trying to figure t out . so how much was your in nuumbers ?
                                                                              btw is no need for you to engage to the debate, since your already courius about your bs , you and all the rest of the forum like 99% that are interested about it, indirectly confirm that you already embrace my statement and that "science" won against " naive religion " , we just have to let em behind after i tried everything for them XDDDD.

                                                                              Este comentario fue editado
                                                                              Coroner

                                                                                holy fucking shit dude, its like talking to a fucking wall. I NEVER denied existence of behaviour score being variable in matchmaking algorithm. But I denie behaviour score being IMPORTANT factor of average dota game like you claim it is. Thats all. Is that so fucking hard to understand?

                                                                                When someone says that games under 6k of behaviour score are unplayable (based on his research) what am I supposed to say other than you are idiot and that statement is completly hilarious??

                                                                                Human behaviour is something that CANNOT be marked as one static number. It varies. It varies from day to day. From fucking game to game. DO YOU GET THAT?

                                                                                All you are doing is just bragging about the fact that Valve publicly released BS is part of MM algorithm. Congratz. But you are missing the point. Whole fucking point.

                                                                                Hakkaghanims hakkede scepter

                                                                                  I have 2 accounts. On one of them i get a C, and the other one just says "normal" . On the account where i have a "C" BS- score i tend to get matched with more fucktarded people than the other account. No doubt. How do you explain that?. Recently i had a 9win streak in ranked and went up 350 mmr, also my behavior changed. And my teammates seemed to be both better at the game, and less retarded solo raging kids. There is something hidden in this, and this shadow pool fucking shit might be somewhat real. At some point you will get matched with flaming idiots no matter what. The thing is if you also start to flame, get reports etc. It's actually like you've getting thrown in some hidden pool, with constant solo players, flaming raging retards, and people with no brain. I've been playing dota2 on and off since the release, this is not some myth. There is some truth in this: https://esportsedition.com/dota-2/dota-2-behavior-score-shadow-pool/ . What Fletcher wrote on the dev forum back in 2014 kinda exposes that's somethings going on. And who knows what have been done since.

                                                                                  Mlada i Luda

                                                                                    @smooth griminal , you retarded delusional duning kruger kid. and git gud at dota ..

                                                                                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩 3 months ago
                                                                                    there's no such thing as behavior score/hidden pool giving you bad teammates, nor was it ever demonstrated nor proven.
                                                                                    it's just that idiots like these up here need any excuse, because dunning kruger hits hard.
                                                                                    The only thing it does is simply tell you how close you are to getting low prio due to reports/abandons.
                                                                                    There wouldn't be low priority if there was a hidden pool, nor has any evidence that BS is anything other than the score of how close you are to getting LP
                                                                                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩 3 months ago
                                                                                    feel free to give any verifiable proof of your claims.

                                                                                    Coroner

                                                                                      There is something hidden in this, and this shadow pool fucking shit might be somewhat real. At some point you will get matched with flaming idiots no matter what.
                                                                                      there is nothing hidden. You will end up at lower behaviour score thus getting matched with other toxic idiots if you become toxic idiot yourself. Which you become and its enough to look the chat of your games. And if you ask anyone if hidden pool should exist, it should. And people like you should be part of it.

                                                                                      Valve finally doing some good job.

                                                                                      Hakkaghanims hakkede scepter

                                                                                        @bart bot. Go play ur normal bracket games. Retarded emo kid. @Coroner that you have the time to check out the chat of my games, tells me all about where you are in your life, must be sad really. "Low life" . Ofc you're rus bart bot, what else. GO cut ur wrists do the world a favor, it would make my day really, it would. Russians are like the black plague, a disease that has to be fought down. And i wish someday we'll get the chance.

                                                                                        Este comentario fue editado
                                                                                        dont be thrilled by this ...

                                                                                          i guess behavior score is just normal until you drop and it gives grades ... im playing in a while now and it remained normal ... all i got meanwhile was 4 reports and bunch of commends and 0 abandons ofc.

                                                                                          Jacked

                                                                                            So mods deleted your thread? I had no idea. I thought you saw the error in your ways.

                                                                                            Delusional people tend to claim to be like Galileo. Lol

                                                                                            Bungmangler

                                                                                              Here is a curious hypothesis.

                                                                                              Based on the old system, which gave numbers it was possible for 8-10k's BS to play with some semi salty 7k's. Because those salty 7ks who screamed for mid, got it and had nice supports and PMA from those 10k's , they would not get reports, win games and etc.

                                                                                              NOW with the new system, it is possible that those semi salty 7k's who I guess is a B for a grade are only playing with those B's and C's and no longer would be with your 10K BS gods? If that is the case I would suspect you would see a gradual trend of that salty 7k becoming more tilted and getting mroe reports by playing with the other 7k's . Some will rise above and reach the holy grail of normal while others will go crazy and drop even more BS.

                                                                                              Over time people will rise to normal or continue to fall to near the bottom where the most salt is found.
                                                                                              ANYONE CARE TO GUESS??!??!?!?!? :thinking:

                                                                                              DC.MASON

                                                                                                i dont think thats correct
                                                                                                i was around 7k-8k bs for a long time and i was queued with morons constantly

                                                                                                Riguma Borusu

                                                                                                  It is easy to get F behavior score even if you almost never get reported, but just abandon a lot (ie, take "free abandons" that don't lead you to LPQ), but you can be a non-toxic player and still get an F because you abandon frequently.

                                                                                                  That's how I think I can have a F behavior score and still be matched with fairly decent people on average. Sure, there are morons sometimes, but not any more often than usual.

                                                                                                  Hatrið mun sigra

                                                                                                    @Bungmangler I don't know if I understood correctly but low bhs people are almost always matched WITH other low bhs people, and a lot of times AGAINST low bhs people, but it happens quite often that the other team is much more relaxed, coordinated and stuff and seems nothing like a bunch of toxic ragers, which means it has high bhs people. Sometimes high bhs people get matched WITH low bhs people tho, I've had teammates that were too nice to be toxic. The fact that they changed numbers into letters actually doesn't modify anything from what I've gathered. And yes, since a low bhs player is forced to play with other low bhs players there's a high chance he will enter nonstop tilt mode no matter how hard he tries to behave better. It's what has happened to me and other people who I've talked to during my games, who just want to get out of this shit and try to be kind but the situation makes it impossible. One of the best ways to get out is to play as many party games as possible, since people you know won't (hopefully lmao) report you and you know you can (relatively) trust them.

                                                                                                    Riguma Borusu

                                                                                                      There's no way valve matches low BHS people against high BHS people, because had that been the case, long queue times would have to apply to high BHS people as well. Instead, I think it's pretty much "low bhs vs low bhs".

                                                                                                      When I asked people in my games what their bhs scores are, they are almost exclusively all D and F. Sure, you can't always trust people, but considering they all know about BHS and almost everoyone is D - F, I can conclude that I am always matched AGAINST people with D - F behavior scores, as well as WITH people with D - F behavior scores.